I have MB Jeff Berlin combo with a 15 in it. 300watts by itself or 500 with another 8ohm cab. Which would choose and why, 112 or 210 cab.
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210 vs. 112 cab
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I suggest adding a 1x15 with the exact same speaker/cab and running a vertical stack. Search for "comb filtering" and "Bill Fitzmaurice" for technical details.
^that. If you like your combo, easiest and most painfree way to get more of the good stuff.
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I like 210 cabinets. Matched with a 15, it will provide a nice top end to the mix. I am assuming that the Berlin combo does not have a tweeter?
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IMHO, this is assuming things about both cabinets that only in some cases will be true. In other words, it is a crapshoot. Since the 115 is a full range cab, regardless of drivers, adding another identical cabinet will avoid the common problem of combining cabinets with different EQ needs, different sensitivity, and poorly matched power handling. YMMV, all IMHO.
I cannot speak to MB kit... but I two Berg cabs - a CN112 and a CN210 - very different sounding cab, but together they sound sublime.
CN112: Thick low-mids, great punch
CN210: Deep lows, crisper highs.
CN112: Thick low-mids, great punch
CN210: Deep lows, crisper highs.
I'd be checking out all of your suggestions. . . . and you definitely can mix cabs.
I've used 210's with 115's and again with 112's, they all worked well together because that's how the designers meant them to be used.
Many cabs are designed to be played together (Bergs, Mesa Boogie, Barefaced, etc) with no down sides. My suggestion would be to put the standard 210 on top. The ultimate decision is what sounds good to your ears.
I've used 210's with 115's and again with 112's, they all worked well together because that's how the designers meant them to be used.
Many cabs are designed to be played together (Bergs, Mesa Boogie, Barefaced, etc) with no down sides. My suggestion would be to put the standard 210 on top. The ultimate decision is what sounds good to your ears.
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i've built lots of PA cabinets and bass cabinets designed to eliminate potential phase/axis/combing/beaming/yada yada issues and usually got it right. but i've gotten it wrong, too: and had to modify/compensate for what should have been (on paper) a functional design. sometimes i just had to scrap the build and start from scratch. there are so many variables to consider that it becomes a crap shoot* even for experts. at some point, with design: you have to try it and 'see' (=hear!). theories about 'sound' are much different than experiences with sound because of those variables which cannot always be predicted in designs/builds. *as stated byhttps://www.talkbass.com/members/jim-carr.67481/
although combing can be a real issue: i get the impression that here on TB: a lot of folks make critical purchasing decisions based on a fear of 'a potential' rather than hearing it for themselves. let your real world use, and your ears inform you. if it sounds good to you (and say, three other musicians!), you win. if it doesn't sound good to you (and say, three other musicians), try something else!
we're musicians. hearing is believing. my opinion, my advice.
fortunately, or unfortunately: this is the only realistic POV, IMO. making decisions about combinations of cabinets based on a fear of potential combing doesn't make sense to me. sometimes combing is a deal killer. sometimes it doesn't exist (luck vs 'engineering'). sometimes it may be manifest, but not 'measurable', and no real threat to real world use.
although combing can be a real issue: i get the impression that here on TB: a lot of folks make critical purchasing decisions based on a fear of 'a potential' rather than hearing it for themselves. let your real world use, and your ears inform you. if it sounds good to you (and say, three other musicians!), you win. if it doesn't sound good to you (and say, three other musicians), try something else!
we're musicians. hearing is believing. my opinion, my advice.
You will more than likely end up with phase cancellation issues between the different driver sizes. There's no reason the 10's will give you better top end than the 15, either. Easiest path to success is an identical 15.
I went to check out a used bass a while back and the seller had a MarkBass Jeff Berlin combo with a MarkBass 2x10 extension cabinet that I took the bass through its paces with and the combination sounded wonderful to my ears.
