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2x10 or 2x12 lightweight neo cab

#41
I have both a TC Electronic 210 and a 212. To me they sound pretty much the same, but the 212 can go louder.. If you're going with one cab, I'd make it a 212. You will likely be able to go louder than a 210 of the same line/mfg. You can always turn down... if you run out of speaker, you need more speakers... Many new 212s are not that much bigger than a lot of 210s and you get more displacement.

Looking back, I probably should have bought a 112 and a 212. 112 for smaller places, 212 for bigger and all 3 for the largest.

If you start comparing 12s from company A to 10s from Company B, then you'd really only know by comparing them side by side.. some specs would help, but I don't think much.
 
#43
JackANSI said:
The RS112 I had didn't really add all that much with an RS212. IMO don't bother with it, just get another RS212 if needed it's only 30% more $$$.
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I have the RS210 and RS212 I really don't need anything else.. If I did get anything it would be the 112 because there are many places that alone would be enough.. And for the bigger places. I'd just like to show off a 212 112 and 210 stack... Just because. Thanks for the tip. I appreciate it. I haven't played with just one cab yet.. I usually bring both mainly to get the head and speakers up higher.
 
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#44
Talkbass would be a much nicer place if folks who don't like an OP's question would just ignore the thread, rather than posting solely to bash the question.

I do agree with some of the posters who have suggested that it is difficult to generalize between different models and makes of 2x10's and 2x12's. That being said, for myself, I would most likely end up looking mainly at 2x10's, because:

(1) For me either of these cabs would represent a lightweight cab that would not be enough by itself to handle most of my playing situations. So, my goal with one of these cabs would to minimize the size and weight as much as possible, so that it would be as convenient as possible for low-volume projects where I didn't want to bring a larger rig, take up as little as possible of room in my house, and combine as easily as possible with other cabs (including cabs I already own). While there are 2x10's that are heavier and bulkier than some 2x12's, my guess is that the smallest and lightest I could find would more likely use 10's.

(2) I have a lot of experience with 2x10's, and still have one (albeit very much not lightweight) in my office/music room that I use for practice and recording.

(3) I already have a neo 4x10 cab, and would be more confident that the two cabs would work reasonably well together. In fact, I'd most likely look at the 2x10 version of my existing 4x10. My amp uses a power amp with two discrete sections, each of which would separately power a different cab with a separate gain control, so the different number of drivers in each of the two cabs is not a big deal.

(4) On the average, I've preferred the tone of cabs containing 10's, and I have little experience with 12's.
 
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I have used both the GK 2x10 (for two years) and the GK 2x12 NEO (for about one year and use currently). Ran GK RB700II (320 watts at 8 ohm, 18 lbs) through the 2x10 and GK MB500 Fusion (350 watts at 8 ohm, 4 lbs) through the 2x12 NEO. The 2x12 NEO is about 10 lbs heaver but mine is on wheels, and the Fusion is lighter. Lows - both push lows pretty good, the 2x10 needed the BASS dial over around 3 o'clock to be felt, whereas on the Fusion the BASS dial stays at 11 - Noon, and it feels to me like I'm getting more lows. IMO the 2x12 NEO feels lower quicker with less EQ to push it. Mids - both about equal. Highs - the 2x12 NEO with the adjustable horn can hit the highs much better. I was happy with the 2x10 and the current owner is also happy with it. I am happier now with my 2x12 Neo cab and most of this is based upon the use of both back to back. Per some of the above comments - the slightly diagonal 2x12 placement really doesn't cause any issues for me - in using both cabs I was running FOH for most of the room volume. My cab has really just been for the stage area. The weight gain of the 2x12 NEO is around 10 lbs. The 2x12 cab is louder in a similar sized room but that may be due to other factors. I have better strings now on my Warwick (EMP 45 - 135 with the NEO, and DR long neck tapered rounds 45-125 with the 210) and I've had the bass set up professionally at Bass Central where I purchased the cab. The 210s were probably ceramic, which makes them not a perfect comparison. But both cabs are GK so they should be close. Also, the BL is a pro having 35 years experience at both Opryland and playing the Opry. He plays P-basses with flats through a 4x10 cab. Now that he's hearing my new NEO 2x12, he's very impressed and is getting GAS - if that is worth anything.
 
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Hounddog409 said:
Strictly discussing the pros and cons, tone differences, etc. of these two options.
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Hard to tell which one in the pro audio world would be best for PA application but, for MI bass guitar application "full range" there is no doubt about it nothing at all
212
more of noise, some extended low end (bottom), less busy treble (of course it depends)
 
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In the pro audio world any woofer is low pass filtered just before the cone starts beaming. In the MI world most drivers run full range. There is a kind of "triangle" reloationship of (at least) three essential parameters which can't be designed randomly,
efficiency, resonance frequency, top end response and voicing.

If a distinct limitation of amp power (such as tube amplifiers) demands for a maximum of cab efficiency,
around 99dB SPL then f3 of the cab should be around 50Hz accompanied by top end response of around 4-5kHz,

I don't think that 15" or 12" MI drivers (or MI suitable PA drivers) can be substituted very easily by 10" drivers just as so often stated at TB.

Whereas multiple way cabs (2-way or 3-way) provide different options of course.
 
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