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410Neo vs 410 RBH

#21
Filip Burdon said:
And what do you think about the sound?
'Cause at the monet the only thing I know for sure about the 410 RBH is that it's heavy :P
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I dont use gk cabs anymore. I have had lots of them. After years of trying so many different gk heads and cabs with preamp pedals to try to get the sound I want, I sold most of them and started over. Some people love them, some people dont, and some people try to convince themswlves otherwise. Just get what honestly sounds good to you.
Wes
 
#22
alecduncan said:
I used one (or two) GK 410RBH cabinets early into my bass-playing career, and I absolutely love them!! They're fantastic workhouses with an extremely warm sound. To me, they're the quintessential 4x10: punchy, clear, and deep. My opinion, however, is that they excel in the low/low-mids... and are more or less stuck there. For a traditional rock band, they're perfect, but I wanted something with a more full-range sound as I pursued music that was more eccentric. With the price of these puppies going down, they're phenomenal value, too.

I played through 410 Neo cabinets a few times as I was shopping for a new set up, and while they sound great all I was really able to get was the traditional "GK growly tone". Take that how you will, but I wasn't impressed enough with the cabinet's versatility.

I currently played through two 212 Neo cabinets, and it's a set up that is absolutely perfect for me. Preserves the low notes's clarity as a 410 should, with (imo, of course) more tonal diversity to make my sound really stand out.

In closing, they're two phenomenally different cabinets from two phenomenally different designs in bass cabinetry... but they're still both phenomenal cabinets. I'd try both out and gauge what you need the big rig status for. I think that if you try them all out you'll easily be able to decide with your ear.

(also, I used a GK 1001RB-II head for the above set ups, with more or less identical EQing)
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Pretty much spot on with what I was thinking. Although I think the new 410 NEO will sit in the mix with a loud band a little better than the RBH do to more "mid" emphasis. I'm not a huge low-end guy on stage though. I like punch/clarity with a bit of overdrive. Still a pair of 212's is the BOMB!
:bassist:
 
#23
The only think is that non of those cabs are in the shops in Oslo and Warszawa so I really can only really on your opinions guys :P

But I think I'm going to visit Berlin 'cause their music shops have pretty much all that stuff and try it all out there.

At the moment I'm leaning twards the RBH. The only thing that concerns me is it's weight. But as far as I've seen most of the 410, not neodynium, cabs weight 42-50kg.

Does anyone recomend any other 410cab to go with the 1001rb-II, which is not neodynium?
 
#24
Filip Burdon said:
Does anyone recomend any other 410cab to go with the 1001rb-II, which is not neodynium?
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Sure - here's a few that I know 1st hand that work well with that amp:

SWR's Goliath series(G1, 2, 3)
Ampeg's SVT-410HLF
Eden's D410XLT
Mesa's PH410

None of these are very light, either - but I tend to care more about how something sounds and how reliable it'll be, rather than how much it weighs...


- georgestrings
 
#27
The RBH is a killer cab as most people have said. It is punchy, articulate and ballsy. I also have the NEO410. I like that cab too. But as Jeff7bass and alecduncan said I would also give triple thumbs up to the NEO212s. They are a wonderful cab with all the oomph of the RBH but without the weight. The 410 is a bright cab to my ears and I like bright cabs. You can take some of that out with eqing but the 212 seems to have more low end and warmth to me.

I used to run a big system with 2x115 RBH and 2x410 RBH. Cool to look at but seriously sickening for hauling around. The biggest drawback to the 410 RBH is that you soon tire of lugging that around. That is another benefit to the NEO 212. It is lighter than the NEO 410. At 2:30 in the morning with stairs to manuover that is important to me.

Really you can't go terribly wrong with whatever choice you make. I like GK cabs. They are a very very solid cab.
 
#30
Ok maybe I'll have to do somethin' about my prejudices to neodynium cabs and try the neo cabs out.
Still have the problem that they|re not available in shops in Oslo :/
The only way to try it is to order tehm to the shop but then I have to buy them :/
That's the problem of the situation I'm in at the moment, but maybe I'll menadge to try them out somewere abroad :P
 
#32
I play old school hard rock (Led Zep, Hendrix, etc) on my GK NEO 412 with GK 700RB II (and passive Squier CV Jazz bass). Sounds great!

Here's a clip of my second gig with that rig (the cab didn't open up fully like it is now, it sounds even better now):

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Quality of sound may not be perfect, but it should do. Headphones recommended.
However, I am adding a VT Bass pedal just to try things out and possibly get a bit more vintage tone! Still have to try it out with my band this week and there's no guarantee that I'll even like it.
 
#33
Filip Burdon said:
Yhym interesting.

I'm personaly thinking about the GK 1001rb-II head and a 410rbh at 8 ohms and maybe buy one more to it in the future or a 115. This set will cost me bout 1630 euro.

That's some interesting stuff you're sayin I must say about the neodynium speakers and that they sound better live. I've only tried neodynium cabs in shops and my felling was that they are a bit to clean, cold..."emotion less" if I can put it that way.

I don't really have the money for tube amps...or I have it now but I know that the cost of changing tubes can be a problem for me in the future. That is why I qiuet sure about choosing the GK 1001rb-II head 'caus it's a SS amp and it's also warm and based on Fleas and Duffs or Tools bass it's a flexible amp.

I just have the dilema about which 8 ohm 410 cab should I choose. Both Duff and Flea uses it so it can't be so bad :P

I also thought about GK cab so I could use the bi amping system.

But thanks once gain for the reply you gave me something to think about ;P
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I have a GK 1001RB-II.
the EQ on it is very good. and the bi-amp option through speakon is also very nice. i used it through GK's 4x12 neo cab and it sounded great. nice growl to it.
 
#35
Thanks for the recording mouthmw!
I was afraid that the neo will give me the kind of Tool sound which I'm not a big fan off.
About the VT bass pedal I have it and I won't recomend it :P It depends what you're after but in my opinion is this wierd pedal which ain't a distortion, doesn't really give the tube sound and doesn't give you the vintage sound :P
I may give you some extra growl/punch/colour to your sound, but it didn't work for me.

I have the Taurus Abigar which is a multi drive with an vintage(mix and modern) option and in my opinion you'll get more vintage sound from it the from the VT bass.


Those neo cabs are starting to make me wonder because the 212 costs half the price of the 410rbh(at least were I live :P ). It seams tha the frequencies are also better in the neo cab and it's 20kg lighter.
Either this neo cab is the 8 wonder of the world or it must be some hiden selfdestruct in it 'cause it seams to be to cheap compared to the 410rbh, or there is some epic **** in the rbh which is not posible to describe in its specifications :P
 
#36
I had an RBH for about 2 years. It was an older cab, but was a great workhorse until the speakers started to deterioate. Nothing to do wity quality, just getting old. Rather than spend more than the cab was worth reconing 4 speakers, and because I wanted to go lighter, I went with the Neo 410.

The RBH is one heavy and awkward mofo at close to 100 lbs. They don't sound all that far apart, IMO. The RBH is mabye a little darker in tone and perhaps a tad smoother.

The Neo is a very fast responding speaker and has a great crunch to it. I can still get a nice smooth tone out of it, but the highs are a bit more prevailant.

I definitely prefer the Neo. It's light, sounds great, and I don't miss the RBH at all.
 
#37
Filip Burdon said:
Thanks for the recording mouthmw!
I was afraid that the neo will give me the kind of Tool sound which I'm not a big fan off.
About the VT bass pedal I have it and I won't recomend it :P It depends what you're after but in my opinion is this wierd pedal which ain't a distortion, doesn't really give the tube sound and doesn't give you the vintage sound :P
I may give you some extra growl/punch/colour to your sound, but it didn't work for me.

I have the Taurus Abigar which is a multi drive with an vintage(mix and modern) option and in my opinion you'll get more vintage sound from it the from the VT bass.


Those neo cabs are starting to make me wonder because the 212 costs half the price of the 410rbh(at least were I live :P ). It seams tha the frequencies are also better in the neo cab and it's 20kg lighter.
Either this neo cab is the 8 wonder of the world or it must be some hiden selfdestruct in it 'cause it seams to be to cheap compared to the 410rbh, or there is some epic **** in the rbh which is not posible to describe in its specifications :P
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No problem! So you dig the sound?

Anyways, too late about me not getting VT :hiding:... Already have it, just have to test it with my rig. I just couldn't help not picking up a pedal that so many have praised here. I guess if it doesn't work, off to the classifieds!
Maybe then I'll pick up a Fusion 550. GAS is so hard to resist....
 
#40
Just one more thing 'cause I've downloaded the Neo series manual.
You say that the 212 has more low end the the 410 but when I chcec the frequencies it says that

Neo 410
Frequency Resp. (-3dB): 30Hzto19kHz

Neo 212
Frequency Resp. (-3dB): 53Hzto19kHz

I'm a bit confused 'cause you recomended 2 x 212 if I wan to have a punch and lowe end while it seams that 2x410 would make a more universal rig with a better low end...or am I misunderstanding something?
 

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