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410s What to Avoid?
- Thread starter Chainsaw Willie
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The rumble is kinda interesting, but a site search and a google search delivered almost no information except where to buy one new. I imagine they are too new to have many out there in the used market.VanillaThundah said:
Despite having some fans of the brand, the GC Acoustics are cheap for a reason, just like behringer and crate. You can do better. As for MDF having "advantages", there are none. A properly built plywood cab has zero resonance, ringing, dead zones or any of that. If it does, it's a junk cab. MDF is cheaper, that's all. It's density means it might require a bit less bracing, that's all. It's already way heavy so no advantage there. It has it's uses--home audio, permanent club installs, car sub boxes, etc. Basically stuff that's going to be put in place and never move.
You want cheap, good and effective, you want used Peavey. Plenty of other good stuff out there too but you basically can't go wrong with Peavey. I've played some of the GC Acoustic stuff just to see what it's all about. It's pretty dull sounding, not clear. I couldn't see it working nearly as well in a band mix as other used/budget stuff I've tried.
You want cheap, good and effective, you want used Peavey. Plenty of other good stuff out there too but you basically can't go wrong with Peavey. I've played some of the GC Acoustic stuff just to see what it's all about. It's pretty dull sounding, not clear. I couldn't see it working nearly as well in a band mix as other used/budget stuff I've tried.
Not familiar with Hartke's "Elite" series but check out the 410. I liked their aluminum cone 215's, plenty of top end/clarity but a little fuller sounding in the lowmids but that one has mismatched drivers. That's a no-no, don't get it.
I had a carvin rl410 for a while. Not a very deep sounding cab, more midpunch than bottom but clear sounding and loud enough for most any gig. The lack of deep lows kind of helps it sit itself in the mix. The tweeter has switch settings for various volume levels including completely off if you want.
Carvin's another brand to look for in your situation. They make decent stuff but it doesn't hold resale value like some other brands. Means you can get them cheap used.
I had a carvin rl410 for a while. Not a very deep sounding cab, more midpunch than bottom but clear sounding and loud enough for most any gig. The lack of deep lows kind of helps it sit itself in the mix. The tweeter has switch settings for various volume levels including completely off if you want.
Carvin's another brand to look for in your situation. They make decent stuff but it doesn't hold resale value like some other brands. Means you can get them cheap used.
mcnach said:
Can't go wrong with a Peavey cab for the money - especially one with a Black Widow. Some of the older Fender cabs are pretty good and in that price range.
Look around on the Classifieds here. Most (all?) TBers will sell good gear.
I would say avoid Crate like the plague. Played an 800RB through a Crate 410 and even that lovely 25-year old head couldn't make the cab sound good. I know the head would sound good on a decent cab, but that's another thread.
Best of luck!
I would say avoid Crate like the plague. Played an 800RB through a Crate 410 and even that lovely 25-year old head couldn't make the cab sound good. I know the head would sound good on a decent cab, but that's another thread.
Best of luck!
Yup, they're big and heavy. Of course, when you want to get loud and have some kind of decent sound for $200, you can't be too picky.
1)"...can't go wrong with Peavey"
My answer: I agree Peavey is good. I like Peavey and own some Peavey gear. I use my acoustic gear mostly these days though. My dream Bass is a Cirrus, but we are talking cabs here!
2)"Despite having some fans of the brand, the GC Acoustics are cheap for a reason, just like behringer and crate."
My answer: Umm, this is your opinion and I have to respectfully disagree!!! I happen to love my acoustic gear and think it sounds great!!! There cabs may not be built to the same quality as the USA acoustic or the other "premium gear", but I would not say they are on the same leval as crate or behringer. To me you are getting great sound and good quality (my experiance) for a cheaper price! IMHO there heads are awsome!!
3) "You can do better.":scowl:
My answer: Again this is your opinion. I think the OP should try them out for himself and make up his own mind. He may not like them but to not give them a chance because someone else thinks they are not good!?! I love mine!!
4)" I've played some of the GC Acoustic stuff just to see what it's all about. It's pretty dull sounding, not clear."
My answer: This is your opinion but again I must disagree!! My gear sounds great!! Did you just try it in the store? Did you actually spend some time with it dialing in the sound you want?
5)"I couldn't see it working nearly as well in a band mix as other used/budget stuff I've tried."
My answer: Have you tried it in a band mix? There are plenty of people that are using them in a band setting and are not having issues in the mix! Head over to the acoustic amp club threads!
To the OP, I am not telling you to get an acoustic 410. Just saying it would be worth while to check out for yourself. I do recommend acoustic gear. This is from my experience of owning both old orginal and the GC acoustic (gassing for the USA 361)!! They have a great price (band for the buck), 3 year warranty and the GC return policy if you don't like it!! If you head over to the acoustic club forum you will see that the GC acoustics have a lot of fans, even though this guy may think it is only "some" (of course not as many as ampeg, but nobody has that many and you spend a lot more). Yes you can always go used and get some good deals. I just like the idea of a warranty I guess.
P.S. If you try it and don't like it that is fine
Just didn't want you to avoid em because another person thinks there cheap or whatever. Best way to know is go try stuff out and then you can make up your own mind. If the place you go has a good return policy then thats even better!
I purchased a rumble 410, 3 months ago. Im running a rumble 150 head through it. I really like the fender tone & im happy with this simple rig! Its a lot of amp for $550.
will33 said:Yup, they're big and heavy. Of course, when you want to get loud and have some kind of decent sound for $200, you can't be too picky.
Yup, at $200 I am assuming there will be some compromise. I really wanted to avoid starting another "what is the best cab for the buck", or "what is the best cab for $200" type thread. I imagined that there were lots of OK cabs in this price range, but that the population density of bad cabs might be higher than if I has a $500 budget.
I am finding a fair amount of used Hartke and GK cabs, a little less SWR and Behringer, even less Acoustic and Crate, but oddly enough I have only found one Peavey 410, and it is a little too far away to check out.
Thanks to everyone for keeping this thread going!
I have a few weeks before I really have any need to have a cab, so I have time on my side. Keep the suggestions and disagreements coming!
I would go with the Hartke 410XL, or if you find one and can handle the weight, the Hartke 4.5XL. It's made 3" deeper than the regular 410XL and has great bass response. It must weigh at least 100lbs. or feels like it!
Ive been using an ashdown mag 4x10 deep i got for 150.00 used from GC and i have to say for the price its a great sounding cab.
my rig is a mid 1990s GK 400RB with a avatar 4 10 cabinet,my sound is awesome,clean and thumpy,its the cabinet with the delta speakers not the NEOs,I found it on craigslist for 300.00 in brand new condition in the blonde tolex,sweet rig!!!
