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412 vs 810?

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Ugh. Research :)

There are almost no 8x10s on the market that sound similar to each other at all. Ampeg's sealed 8x10 vs. Peavey's ported vs. Behringer's aluminum coned, etc, blah blah. They are all different.

Same with 4x12s.

So this is a pretty pointless and overly generalized question. Get down to models and people can discuss :) e.g. Aguilar's 4x12 vs. Ampeg's sealed 8x10
 
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Ill make the start:

Comparison of Ampeg 810E to Marshall 7412. Both played with 70s SVT.
Weight: The Marshall a bit lighter, but both really heavy.
Material: Ampeg: OSB, Marshall: Plywood
Construction: Ampeg: closed, Marshall: ported

Sound:
Both midfocused "Rockers" cabinets, Marshall louder and more bass than ampeg, but less punchy. Ampeg sounds punchy, dry and dull. Marshall alot more "alife" - stronger highmids, pumping bass and overall "more open", but not so percussive and focused like the ampeg.

I have the impression, that the marshalls 12" have that raw, dirty midrange emphasis - while the ampeg 10" sound a bit softer.

My personal winner: Marshall 7412, because it fits my sound better and sounds more extraordinary compared to the breadandbutter ampeg 810 - But both are very good Rock Cabinets and I enjoy playing both of them.
 
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I've mentioned this elsewhere, but I too found the new Ampeg 810s dull - went with a Mesa 810 instead - much broader frequency response and it's a beast.

Sorry I can't help with the 4x12, though I'm feeling a bit lukewarm about my Aguilar 2x12 - nice cab and all, but just not bonding with it - feels a bit boomy.
 
#12
Don't let what is popular in the mainstream fool you. Have you listened to mainstream music lately. Most of it sucks, because people will like what you tell them to like. Take 8x10 ampeg cabs for instance. They really don't sound great. No meat, no cream. I have used a mesa 8x10 as well. I hated it. I now have an Aguilar DB412 and i'm in heaven. It has all of the low end you miss out on with 10's but it is still so articulate. Most bassists in the 60's and 70's used 12's. It wasn't until the 80's that 10's became popular. BTW... most 80's bass tone sucks. Listen to the beatles, cream, the beach boys. 12's or 15's. No 10's.
 
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#13
The 12s and 15s the Beatles and Cream and so on used are almost nothing like the ones used today. Seriously.

One last time: Speaker size is not the chief determiner of what a cab sounds like. It's probably not even in the top ten.
 
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In the past I used an Ampeg 810, now I use an Aguliar DB412. Some of the differences that come to mind, are the Aggie weighs abit less, I have it in Choc Thunder which IMO is better looking than my black Ampeg. The DB412 definately has more mids, amd seems to have better lows and highs than the Ampeg. I guess in a nut shell the Aggie makes my bass come to life where the Ampeg 810 seemed kinda dull and lifeless.
 
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What folks are getting at OP, with the question as asked, the following is all that can be said about it:

4x12 has four twelve inch drivers and the 8x10 has eight ten inch drivers. There is absolutely nothing upon which to establish a preference. Maybe the 8x10 would have slightly better dispersion? I dunno.

Which would I prefer? Well if I had to chose between two cabinets that were equal in tone, effeciency, powerhandling, overal sound and weight - I'd choose the one that was easiest to move. And that'd prolly be the 8x10.

PawleeP said:
was wondering, does anyone know if the ashdown 810 uses 32ohm speakers and if so what type?
have a possible trade in the works for one and there doesn't seem to be much info on any of the forums i have found so far..
thanx p
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I'm curious about why you would care about driver impedance.
 

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