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6 String Barker Build!!!

First of all ..... Eric, what excellent expressive playing! And your B45 definitely has that Barker-ness to it. Love the video!

Tom, it's really interesting when I see people placing an emphasis on wood. Being the non-technical knucklehead I am, I rarely think about what woods work best in different settings, but as I think back on it just about every bass I've ever owned and loved has the same wood configuration.

The B6 is the first one with a douglas fir top, and after this weekend I'll be able to speak with conviction about the tone. My other prime gigging basses all have figured maple (quilt or curly) tops with mahogony bodies, all neck through, all the same neck woods. Essentially the same electronics, too ...

Good info from you, Tom, as usual ... :cool:
 
First of all ..... Eric, what excellent expressive playing! And your B45 definitely has that Barker-ness to it. Love the video!
+1. I've seen it before and commented before too. I've never seen a Barker strapped on; that was cool.

Tom, it's really interesting when I see people placing an emphasis on wood. Being the non-technical knucklehead I am, I rarely think about what woods work best in different settings, but as I think back on it just about every bass I've ever owned and loved has the same wood configuration.

The B6 is the first one with a douglas fir top, and after this weekend I'll be able to speak with conviction about the tone. My other prime gigging basses all have figured maple (quilt or curly) tops with mahogony bodies, all neck through, all the same neck woods. Essentially the same electronics, too ...

Good info from you, Tom, as usual ... :cool:
I apologize in advance for how long this is going to be.

I played bass as a teenager, then gave it up for a serious career as a computer nerd, then came back to bass later in life.

When I was 17, I carefully filed down the frets of my 1976 Fender Jazz Bass. My stomach was sick the entire time, wondering if I just ruined my favorite bass, but it turned out surprisingly well.

It sounded great and my band mates loved it, but when I was alone in my room with records, I could hear it still didn't sound exactly like Jaco's bass.

At that time, I didn't know that Fender had changed the positioning of their pickups, so I attributed the difference in tone to the difference in wood.

Ever since I've believed that basically anything that affects the vibration, affects the tone.

That belief has been reinforced over the years as I've learned more, and especially after very educational conversations with luthiers, including George Furlanetto of Fbass, and Joey Fodera of, well, Fodera, about how woods affect tone -- not just woods, but other things such as single cut vs. double cut, the size of the heal as it meets the body, etc.

I have a good friend who is friends with Carry Nordstrand, and the two of them recently had an interesting conversation about how the taper of the neck affects the tone of the bass. And I totally believe it! Heck, I'm amazed at the research George Furlanetto has done with different types of finish and their affects on the tone of the bass.

It all probably matters, but the DEGREE to which it matters depends on how all the variables combine, especially our hands and playing style.

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"Q: Would there be a considerable difference in the sound of your Fender Jazz Bass if the neck was rosewood or ebony instead of maple?

"A: Maplewood is a good deal harder than the other common woods used for bass necks (ebony, rosewood, etc). The sound from a maple neck is harder than the others. I think my thumbing sound would be significantly different without the maple.

"For finger style I actually prefer a softer wood (rosewood usually) but, if I'm only using one bass, I can make do with the maple. "

I think most people, particularly non bass players and non musicians, don't really notice the differences in tone that basses can have. Then again, Marcus Miller and Nathan East have made an awful good living not just by how they play, but how good they sound. And when something sounds particularly good, most people notice, regardless of whether or not they are bass players.

But like there are a lot of great flavors of ice cream, there are a lot of great flavors of bass tone as well. In many instances, what works best is a function of the right tool for the job. In other words, in certain situations or songs, a particular bass may really hit the spot, so I like to have basses that excel at doing certain things.

For instance, here is an outdated "family photo" of my basses.

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And let's just talk about the first 3 basses going from left to right...

1. Fodera Yin Yang - Alder body (with a top made of holly and ebony), maple fingerboard, PJ pickups

2. Nordstrand Nordy VJ5 - Ash body, maple fingerboard, pickups in the 70s position

3. Fbass BN5 - Ash body, maple fingerboard, pickups in the 60s position

All three have maple finger boards, but differences in the body wood and pickups (and pickup positioning) give each of the basses very distinct voices.

Back to the two gospel music videos we've been discussing. Considering the differences in wood and pickup positions, I'd use the FBass BN5 for for "I am God," and either my Barker or my alder bodied and rosewood fingerboarded Alleva Coppolo (not pictured in this photo) for "God is my Everything."

And if there ever was one bass that could do it all, I'd probably get it, but only use it when I have to travel light, because the differences in how the basses are cut, how they play, how they sound, and even how they look affect the ideas that come to me as I play, and I make different choices as a result.

I LIKE being affected by the bass I'm playing, and playing differently as a result, so I'd prefer to have several basses (although I'm going to trim the herd to something more practical).

Phew.

Sorry that was so long winded.

But I can see why there are guys with 3 Barkers. Not only does it help them choose the best tool for the job, but the differences in the basses will affect their choices as a player and cause them to approach songs differently.
 
Hearing with your eyes dept:

The first is cherry, the second, fir.
 

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I used the B6 exclusively this past weekend on two gigs. First on Friday at a restaurant/lounge where we regularly play, and then on Sunday for a jazz "standards" gig at another regular in our rotation.

The bass played beautifully and was very well received at both locations. These two venues are very used to seeing us play and have come to know my "unusual" basses, so it was instantly recognized that I had something new :).

I used my MarkBass CMD121P combo with a MB Traveler 151P extension cabinet. The bass is quite powerful and I had to rachet the volume down a touch from the usual settings. I basically played everything on the amp flat, a very slight click towards the bass and low-mid side. Any other adjustments were from the ToneStyler. The ToneStyler is quite versatile, and once I get a better handle on the various settings I expect to be using it far more efficiently than I did this past weekend.

I'm still using the Rondo/Indie strings and not really thrilled with them, but I won't have the LaBella flats in hand for at least another week (six string sets are back-ordered) and I've yet to receive the replacement nut. Even so, the bass sounded great and certainly has all of the characteristics we've come to expect from our BVB's.

I'll do a complete review a little later on, once I get a few months under my belt with this beauty. But at first blush, she is an absolute winner :bassist:.

Here's a few quick pics at the gig (sorry, none with me playing, since my resident photog didn't make the Friday gig), but they'll give you a better reference for real-life photo's ....

First, a pic of the electronics and bridge area, and another taken a few feet back
 

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This is a pretty crummy recording, really had the Zoom H2 in a poor location for proper balance, but even so you can hear the responsiveness of the bass and the BVB-ness of the low end along with clarity on the highs.

I'll get some proper clips of the bass over the next few weeks once the right strings are on and I'm in a more controlled environment.

Two short clips for ya

http://egoode.fileave.com/b61st110909.mp3
 
This is a pretty crummy recording, really had the Zoom H2 in a poor location for proper balance, but even so you can hear the responsiveness of the bass and the BVB-ness of the low end along with clarity on the highs.

I'll get some proper clips of the bass over the next few weeks once the right strings are on and I'm in a more controlled environment.

Two short clips for ya

http://egoode.fileave.com/b61st110909.mp3
Listening to the mp3 now... wow I wish I got to play this kind of music more often. Your playing and your tone are perfect, Ed.

Oh, here's the 2nd clip. Blues! Yeah! Great intonation. Nice run!

I have the same hand held recorder you do. It's good enough to keep it and keep using it, but lacks just enough to make me wish I had something better too.

Anyway, with my headphones, I definitely do get a nice taste of the tone of the bass. Love it. If I were to give a guess, I'd say I was listening to a defretted 60s fretless Fender Jazz with flat wounds, only the pickups are a tad bit tamer and smoother... nice old school tone for sure.

Great clip. I feel like I know the bass a bit better now. Thanks.
 
90 posts into this thread, I guess we can call it an officially done deal :D

The bass is, indeed, fantastic & better then I had hoped ... my "free" weekend went directly into the crapper and I played two gigs exclusively with the B1six this weekend. Did some live recordings and once I get them mixed in a little bit I'll post them on my website .....

Thanks again, Lee .... :cool:

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Is it me, or do I detect a SMILE in that photo? :-)

;)

Lots of smiles playing this bass lately! Truthfully, I'm not sure in that instance whether it's a smile or the tail end of a grimace after blowing the intonation that far up on the neck :eek:. Gotta get used to a 34" scale again, everything I own is 35" and up, so the higher registers have been getting abused of late .... thank God I have supportive band mates ... :help:
 
Laughing! I hear you!

Well, I don't HEAR you, I mean I understand! :)

I made the decision years ago not to play 35" scale basses. First, I have trouble with my hands, one of which has been surgically reconstructed, and now they are talking surgery for the other. Six strings AND 35" scale length would just wear them out.

But the other reason is I want my habits from playing one bass transferable to the next.
 
Sorry for taking so long to jump into this thread.

I hear a 5 string Barker with an Ash body, a Bubinga neck, and Bartolini Soapbar pickups. ( such as used on a Zon ) My reason for an Ash body is for the distinctive, more articulate lows Ash seems to produce, along with good fidelity for the highs, but which may help to mellow out the "slap & pop" aspect, keeping it from sounding too "thin".... a good choice for the playing style present in a lot of contemporary gospel and praise music.

I like the tone of the Bubinga neck. I have one on my Barker Special, with an Ebony fretless fingerboard. I would use a fretted all Bubinga neck. I think it would help to fatten up the low end, give the mids a good kick, and take a bit of the edge off of the highs, to keep the "Slaps and Pops" from overpowering the mix.

I have Nordstrands on my Special, a P-Bass set, in the traditional P-Bass position, and a Jazz pickup in the bridge position. I really like this combination for my playing style, but I think it would be interesting to hear the Bartolini Soapbars on this build combination, with a Bartolini 3 band pre-amp.

The Bartolini soapboxes I have used offered a nice, warm sound from the lows to the highs, and again I think would help to take away some of the thin edge and help fatten up the slap & pop highs. I use some on a Fender Jazz 5, and they have a warm tone, without being too dark.

Hey Lee...What'da think?
 

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