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A 1700-yr old mystery possibly solved!

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The ancient Romans were master cementers. They made all those miles of aquaducts and monuments and buildings out of cement. But their recipe for cement was lost when ancient Rome fell.

Our cement today is very weak by comparison. We add little rocks to it to make it stronger, and we call that mixture concrete. That's still not strong enough though, so they reinforce concrete with iron or steel rods or mesh to give it more strength. That introduces another problem. Since concrete is porous, moisture seeps in, the iron eventually rusts and expands, and that weakens and breaks the concrete. This is especially bad with salt water.

Roman cement gets stronger as it ages, our cement today becomes weaker and more brittle with time. The Pantheon in Rome (built 1900 years ago) is still the largest unsupported concrete dome in the world - modern concrete can't come close to doing that.
Modern concrete we put in the sea lasts no more than about 60 years, but there's a jetty on the Mediterranean in north Africa that I saw on NOVA that the Romans built in the second century AD that's been there for more than 1800 years through countless storms and it's still intact.

Researchers know the Roman builders used a form of volcanic ash found near
Naples in their mix and that they shipped tons of it all around the Mediteranean. But we can make cement out of the same ash deposits and it's no better than our other cement.

These people think they might have figured this mystery out:
Riddle solved: Why was Roman concrete so durable?
 
On a related note, The Great Courses has an excellent [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]. The lecturer, a retired West Point civil engineering professor, even has models to demonstrate their machines and construction methods.

They have a streaming service that’s available on various platforms. I think I pay $8 a month through Prime Video.
 
LOL I'd posted this 07 Jan, but in the thread "Any other tradespeople in here?". I've never worked with concretes, but this is a fascinating discovery.

Member hbarcat posed the question of how the Roman cement formulation stood up to repeated freeze/thaw cycles every year. If it didn't, then re-creating it today would be relegated for use in temperate climates only. If it stands against repeated freeze/thaw cycles, that's alot more usage.

I said I'd try and contact any of the researchers. Tried for two days, ~ hour per day, looking for direct email. I don't have any social medias, so those avenues are closed to me. Finally gave up.

But, looking at the extent of the Roman Empire, I found pics of structures still in decent shape in Switzerland and it's Alps. My layman's mind says, yeah, it'll hold up in yearly freeze/thaw cycles.
 
LOL I'd posted this 07 Jan, but in the thread "Any other tradespeople in here?". I've never worked with concretes, but this is a fascinating discovery.

Member hbarcat posed the question of how the Roman cement formulation stood up to repeated freeze/thaw cycles every year. If it didn't, then re-creating it today would be relegated for use in temperate climates only. If it stands against repeated freeze/thaw cycles, that's alot more usage.

I said I'd try and contact any of the researchers. Tried for two days, ~ hour per day, looking for direct email. I don't have any social medias, so those avenues are closed to me. Finally gave up.

But, looking at the extent of the Roman Empire, I found pics of structures still in decent shape in Switzerland and it's Alps. My layman's mind says, yeah, it'll hold up in yearly freeze/thaw cycles.
Current Portland cement concrete hardens for about 40 years. After that, it starts to weaken. We see it all the time in older foundations, bridges, and the like. There are stronger and weaker mixes, and then there are other factors like environmental issues. The Surfside, Florida condo collapse in 2021 was partly due to shrinkage cracks in the concrete structure that allowed salt air to penetrate and ultimately corrode the rebar. Steel expands as it oxidizes, and that caused more cracks and spalling, and then the concrete was much weaker. That building was about 40 years old. If it had been built with concrete made like the Romans mixed theirs, those cracks wouldn't have happened. I'm not saying the building wouldn't have collapsed, because there were other factors as well, but at least some of the problem wouldn't have occurred.
 
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