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A bass player takes up the flute

I'm at a gig a few weeks ago. Flute player to my right as we get ready for our set. I ask him, "If I wanted to play the flute, is it very hard?" Dumb question, I know. "Yes, it's hard," he says. He's a former middle school band director. He gives me a few pointers about how to tell if a used flute is any good, and says there's a lot of good information on YouTube.

A week later, I buy a used Gemeinhardt SP-2 student-level flute on Facebook Marketplace, from a mom of a high school kid who doesn't play it. I take it home and watch a bunch of videos about how to get started. These videos are made by kind music educators and aimed at middle schoolers.

On the first day I try several times and cannot make a sound from the flute. On day two I can make a sound that is unsteady - the initiation of the note has a chirp to it. I consult YouTube and some LLMs for advice. I'm on about day 4 or 5 at this point and I can play a low C pretty consistently. That's middle C on the piano for reference. It sounds amazing.

My goal in the next few weeks is to play scales - C, F and Bb to a slow tempo on the metronome. From there I'll continue around the circle of fifths and look for some very basic melodies. I've downloaded a bunch of visual charts showing where to place one's fingers for each note, and mapped them to the C Major scale.

In my favor is the fact that I read treble and bass clef at a rudimentary level and will have no problem reading the notation once I match it to my fingers. On the other hand, I've never played a wind instrument and have never attempted to control my facial muscles in a precise way, and coordinate that with my hands and my brain.

I tell Mrs. DCGuy of my intention to learn the flute. She gives me a better than 50 percent chance of success within two years. She has been very supportive of my music over the years and makes what we both think is a realistic assessment. We both acknowledge that there are gradations of success. I'd say my initial goals are to play a flute solo on one of my gigs, or play the flute part of a classic rock song I've played a million times. This would probably be at a laid-back winery gig. One of my bands would be very receptive to this, I think.

I'm not afraid to fail at this, but I'm going to give it a rather persistent attempt.

I'll update this thread periodically. In the meantime, I'd welcome any advice or feedback. I'm especially interested in pieces of music/etudes for an adult beginner.
 
I'm at a gig a few weeks ago. Flute player to my right as we get ready for our set. I ask him, "If I wanted to play the flute, is it very hard?" Dumb question, I know. "Yes, it's hard," he says. He's a former middle school band director. He gives me a few pointers about how to tell if a used flute is any good, and says there's a lot of good information on YouTube.

A week later, I buy a used Gemeinhardt SP-2 student-level flute on Facebook Marketplace, from a mom of a high school kid who doesn't play it. I take it home and watch a bunch of videos about how to get started. These videos are made by kind music educators and aimed at middle schoolers.

On the first day I try several times and cannot make a sound from the flute. On day two I can make a sound that is unsteady - the initiation of the note has a chirp to it. I consult YouTube and some LLMs for advice. I'm on about day 4 or 5 at this point and I can play a low C pretty consistently. That's middle C on the piano for reference. It sounds amazing.

My goal in the next few weeks is to play scales - C, F and Bb to a slow tempo on the metronome. From there I'll continue around the circle of fifths and look for some very basic melodies. I've downloaded a bunch of visual charts showing where to place one's fingers for each note, and mapped them to the C Major scale.

In my favor is the fact that I read treble and bass clef at a rudimentary level and will have no problem reading the notation once I match it to my fingers. On the other hand, I've never played a wind instrument and have never attempted to control my facial muscles in a precise way, and coordinate that with my hands and my brain.

I tell Mrs. DCGuy of my intention to learn the flute. She gives me a better than 50 percent chance of success within two years. She has been very supportive of my music over the years and makes what we both think is a realistic assessment. We both acknowledge that there are gradations of success. I'd say my initial goals are to play a flute solo on one of my gigs, or play the flute part of a classic rock song I've played a million times. This would probably be at a laid-back winery gig. One of my bands would be very receptive to this, I think.

I'm not afraid to fail at this, but I'm going to give it a rather persistent attempt.

I'll update this thread periodically. In the meantime, I'd welcome any advice or feedback. I'm especially interested in pieces of music/etudes for an adult beginner.

There had been a precedent, Andy Kulberg, bassist/flutist for the band, Blues Project…


They were one of the earliest American “underground” bands, somewhat like the Paul Butterfield Blues Band, playing extended, non-Top 40/hit single material for an emerging college market and before FM rock radio became a thing.

Keyboardist/vocalist Al Kooper(who had left before that Monterey Festival performance)and the guitarist subbing on bass for the tune, Steve Katz, soon went on to form Blood, Sweat, and Tears. The remnants of BP, including Kulberg, regrouped under the name Seatrain, adding fiddle and taking a more country flavored direction.

However, they revisted the piece, “Flute Thing”, and that version became a staple of FM radio for awhile…


Although this was their highest profile song…


Also worth checking out is Jeremy Steig, who split his time between the jazz world and the nascent hippie scene…


All of this was way before Jethro Tull.


 
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On the first day I try several times and cannot make a sound from the flute. On day two I can make a sound that is unsteady
I learned flute after playing recorder. Both before taking up the bass, btw. The flute is the only wind instrument where tone production is dependent on your body control, meaning lips. Give a beginner an oboe, trumpet, .... and they can get a sound with some trying. Maybe unrefined but the sound will be there.

Count yourself lucky that mr Theobald Boehm developed that key system: recorders and baroque flutes go through all sorts of contortions to get notes outside the basic scale. Only in the 3rd octave does the concert flute get a little tricky.

But have fun. Flute is a pretty instrument. After playing for a few years this was my favorite study-but-never-perform piece:
 
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I started on flute in high school band and started playing bass shortly after that. I have taken it up again a few times as an adult, and I now practice about an hour each day on it so I can play Brazilian music with a group I'm in. Have a look at Trevor Wye's materials; you can get his Omnibook used, and that includes almost everything. Focus on tone and intonation first. I also recommend the Tonal Energy app to work on intonation.

The nice thing about playing a wind instrument is that you can melodies pretty much all of the time!
 
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I used to play clarinet, bass clarinet, Eb contrabass clarinet... tried to blow through a clarinet a while ago.
No chance without some or alot of work....at 65 maybe renting a bass clarinet would be a thing to try. hmmmm
Bass recorder maybe... then there is this.... flutes too


Thanks for the post
 
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I'm at a gig a few weeks ago. Flute player to my right as we get ready for our set. I ask him, "If I wanted to play the flute, is it very hard?" Dumb question, I know. "Yes, it's hard," he says. He's a former middle school band director. He gives me a few pointers about how to tell if a used flute is any good, and says there's a lot of good information on YouTube.

I'll update this thread periodically. In the meantime, I'd welcome any advice or feedback. I'm especially interested in pieces of music/etudes for an adult beginner.
Good on you mate!

I am a sax/clarinet player who a number years ago decided I really needed to add flute to that arsenal. I got in touch with one of the elementary music teachers for some beginning lessons. Then sit down and work on the lessons. I am not great, but good enough for pit gigs. I was in New York a couple weeks ago, stopped at Flute Center, and upgraded my instrument to a new Trevor James. Having a group to play with is critical motivation for me to get better at new instruments (this spring I performed reed books of both Mean Girls and Sister Act).

Come a couple years ago, I decide I want to learn bass. I buy a Gretsch G2220 and start watching YouTube videos. Then I contacted an old local bass teacher I have played with in the past (who recently passed away). I have not been consistent enough with my practice, and I do not have a regular group to play with so motivation is only internal. And progress is very slow.

If we think about the 10,000 hour 'rule' assigned to music, much of that time is learning notes, rhythm, feel, listening, timing, reading, and other skills that are instrument agnostic. I have found it takes me 300-500 hours to become proficient enough at a new instrument to be willing to feel comfortable performing in public. Embouchure, fingerings, tunings, new clefs, and other mechanics of the particular instrument take far less time for me than the underlying transferable musical skills.

Advice for flute is no different than bass. 20-30 minutes per day is better than 2-3 hours once a week. If you are a bass player by ear, work on reading skills. Or vice versa. Join the local community band and play Sousa marches this summer. Find a flute choir.

Well done. Now you can add flute on Tull, Men At Work, Focus, Camel and a few others to your bass-playing repertoire.
Keep at it. Time, Patience, Dedication. Good Luck! Can't wait for the updates.
 
I took up saxophone after getting jealous of our trombonist's ability to show up at the gig a few seconds before we walked on stage! No heavy gear to lug and no strings to tune. The band leader soon learnt not to give him his money until _after_ he'd helped tear down to prevent a similarly rapid exit.

It's nice having an alternative instrument, though it is different to the bass because there are no visual patterns. It took me a long time to be able to "read" the notes I'm playing everywhere on the fretboard compared to the sax.
 
I'm at a gig a few weeks ago. Flute player to my right as we get ready for our set. I ask him, "If I wanted to play the flute, is it very hard?" Dumb question, I know. "Yes, it's hard," he says. He's a former middle school band director. He gives me a few pointers about how to tell if a used flute is any good, and says there's a lot of good information on YouTube.

A week later, I buy a used Gemeinhardt SP-2 student-level flute on Facebook Marketplace, from a mom of a high school kid who doesn't play it. I take it home and watch a bunch of videos about how to get started. These videos are made by kind music educators and aimed at middle schoolers.

On the first day I try several times and cannot make a sound from the flute. On day two I can make a sound that is unsteady - the initiation of the note has a chirp to it. I consult YouTube and some LLMs for advice. I'm on about day 4 or 5 at this point and I can play a low C pretty consistently. That's middle C on the piano for reference. It sounds amazing.

My goal in the next few weeks is to play scales - C, F and Bb to a slow tempo on the metronome. From there I'll continue around the circle of fifths and look for some very basic melodies. I've downloaded a bunch of visual charts showing where to place one's fingers for each note, and mapped them to the C Major scale.

In my favor is the fact that I read treble and bass clef at a rudimentary level and will have no problem reading the notation once I match it to my fingers. On the other hand, I've never played a wind instrument and have never attempted to control my facial muscles in a precise way, and coordinate that with my hands and my brain.

I tell Mrs. DCGuy of my intention to learn the flute. She gives me a better than 50 percent chance of success within two years. She has been very supportive of my music over the years and makes what we both think is a realistic assessment. We both acknowledge that there are gradations of success. I'd say my initial goals are to play a flute solo on one of my gigs, or play the flute part of a classic rock song I've played a million times. This would probably be at a laid-back winery gig. One of my bands would be very receptive to this, I think.

I'm not afraid to fail at this, but I'm going to give it a rather persistent attempt.

I'll update this thread periodically. In the meantime, I'd welcome any advice or feedback. I'm especially interested in pieces of music/etudes for an adult beginner.
“Aqua Lung!” :laugh:

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It's nice having an alternative instrument, though it is different to the bass because there are no visual patterns. It took me a long time to be able to "read" the notes I'm playing everywhere on the fretboard compared to the sax.
Ah, good point. One mental block about bass that took me months to figure out comes from how sax/clarinet/flute change notes.

On woodwinds (or other sequential instruments), if I want to change to a lower note, I add a finger on a key. This is because the 'effective string length' of a woodwind is measured from the mouth to the furthest depressed key.
But on a stringed instrument, to make the string length longer, and pitch lower, you remove a finger. Backwards of my 45 years of woodwind playing to that point.
It took me about 4 months to figure out this was the reason why there was unnatural autonomic movements in my hand when changing notes on bass. Once I figured this out, it unlocked something in my brain and I can keep those two separate now.

I took up saxophone after getting jealous of our trombonist's ability to show up at the gig a few seconds before we walked on stage! No heavy gear to lug and no strings to tune. The band leader soon learnt not to give him his money until _after_ he'd helped tear down to prevent a similarly rapid exit.

It's nice having an alternative instrument, though it is different to the bass because there are no visual patterns. It took me a long time to be able to "read" the notes I'm playing everywhere on the fretboard compared to the sax.
It certainly CAN be true that wind instrumentalists have less gear, but playing a reed book in a pit orchestra often means multiple horns. Mean Girls Reed 2 book, for example, had flute, clarinet, tenor sax, bass clarinet, bari sax. I have had as many as 7 instruments with me for a pit gig (Rags). But I certainly appreciate the sentiment.
 

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