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A Question For The White Folks.......

#41
notverygood said:
I had a friend in school who had very light skin. He was one of the nicest guys around but other black people treated him like dirt. Both his parents had darker skin so it's not like he was of mixed race or anything. i dated a girl once with light skin and green eyes in a different state and it was the same story. Some of the most vile things I have ever heard was directed at those two nice people by members of their own race. Black people would walk right around me the white guy and insult them right in their face. Neither person would really ever answer me why this would happen. Has anyone else ever experienced this?
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+1

my sons are mixed and were really light-skinned as little kids. they have been jumped by black kids on several occasions. even as teens they were attacked on a city bus by 5 other blacks. WEIRD!!!!
btw,... my sons beat those boys so good, one of them pulled a pistol inorder to avert taking his whipping.
i have to believe jealousy is a great motivator in some cases.

as to the OP's subject matter, a little story of one of my MANY racial episode's.

from black perspective,.. it annoys me when blacks get racial. but, i'm guessing whites are just as annoyed.
case in point,
a white friend and i walk into a small town bar and start up a pool game. this guy comes over and starts haggling me with racial slurs. i just ignore the dude, but my friend warns the guy.
he leaves and returns with this huge dude with a worst attitude. they ask me to step outside. i look up and start laughing and continue with the game. so the meat-head starts my way when out of the shadows two white guys get between us and stated, "you touch this person and we break you and your buddies face."
the look on the racists' faces,...
PRICE-LESS!!!
it was exactly how i react when in a reverse situation. i almost got stabbed trying to defend a white guy in a black neighborhood, though!
funny thing is,.. i've never had a fight with a white for calling me an N-word because another white person usually will reprimand the offender.
some people harbor ill-will based on what they think they know. i grew up in a rural area so i've had enough hate spewed my way to write a novel,...
 
#42
As for in the op subject type character, I ignore them and note them as idiots, and keep an eye on them thereon. I haven't come across many as blatantly as obvious as that to be honest. It's dumb headed BS I don't give any credence to anyways.
 
#43
Phalex said:
Hokey Pete man! You nailed it! Covert is the correct answer! I think you beat Watson on that one!!
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It is a town with a REALLY interesting racial history.

Phalex said:
They aren't too keen on Palisades down there either. Apparently they promised the community a lot for letting them build it there.
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Folks in the area love to complain about Palisades, but if Palisades went away their taxes would triple and they'd still lose half their services.
 
#44
Not completely relevant to the thread, but worth sharing:

I played in a few bands in college but only one that I really thought was going to go places. Both my guitar player (and good friend - now studio musician) Desmond and the piano/violin player Sharon (who I dated and was later engaged to) are black.

Once during a show at Berkeley Square, there was a pause between sets and some guy in the back yells loudly, "WHO GAVE THAT NEGRO A GEE-TAR!?!?" I kid you not.

None of us really did anything but stare and try and figure out where it came from. Was it a joke from someone we knew? Random and very vocal racism? Who knows. But it was odd. And of course it soon became a recurring joke between us.

Fast foward 10 years and I'm taking a trip to see Desmond in Hollywood. I met him at a club where he was setting up for a small show with a jazz trio that he played with for fun. As I'm walking in I yell out, "WHO GAVE THAT NEGRO A GEE-TAR?!?!"

Des has a big smile on his face as he looks my way. The five or six other black guys in club - not so much.
 
#48
There have been times when I said nothing and there have been times when I have ripped into the individual with everything I could bring and dared him to do something about it.

There was also one time when I said nothing, snapped and did a lot of physical damage the the individual.

It depends on the circumstance, and my mood.

It's very rare that I say nothing.

"You Sir, are an ignorant, despicable piece of s#$t." is a fairly safe bet.
 
#50
Perrrrrrryyyyy!!! :spit: Damn you and your sig!!

I just got home and I'm gonna start packing up to go back down to Hooterville.

(If I see any strikingly urban looking young men at the bar, I do believe I'll buy them a cocktail.)

:D
 
#53
Relic said:
yes. See my post just below yours. My wife's family is predominantly Hispanic and Asian, but the Hispanic side.? I dont know why but there's a very very real hang up on skin color. "the lighter the better, the darker the worse.." I have no idea why.
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In colonial Spanish areas, race was the deciding factor on everything. The Spanish created race flow charts to determine what categories everybody and their offspring would fall under. (A native and an African marry and have a child, that child becomes race A. That child then marries a Spaniard, their children becomes AB, etc)

It had to do a lot with skin tone. The Spanish officials basically decided for you what race you fell under, based on skin tone. You wouldn't be able to do certain things or have certain privileges if you weren't the right color.
 
#54
McHaven said:
In colonial Spanish areas, race was the deciding factor on everything. The Spanish created race flow charts to determine what categories everybody and their offspring would fall under. (A native and an African marry and have a child, that child becomes race A. That child then marries a Spaniard, their children becomes AB, etc)

It had to do a lot with skin tone. The Spanish officials basically decided for you what race you fell under, based on skin tone. You wouldn't be able to do certain things or have certain privileges if you weren't the right color.
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Lets here it for the Conquistadors, putting other racists to shame since the age of exploration.
 
#55
Reminds me of two situations.

Where i used to live we had Indians buying, knocking down and rebuilding. One of their neighbours was talking to me one day and say, "those Indians are trouble! they should all go home!". That's not surprising, except, the guy who said it is Macedonian or something and in his late 60s. He has a very strong accent and the most tasteless house in the street. So I politely got into him. "How can you say that? you moved here just same as them. they just want a chance to have a nice place to live." Needless to say, he was rightly chasened and made for home licking wounds. He didn't try any of that crap with me again.

More recently, i was in a local shop and heard a woman in her 60s talking about politics and the suburb next to the one I grew up in. She started by calling our prime minister a "bitch", which I took offense to even though I don't rate the PM. But then it got much worse. "x suburb has been ruined by the Arabs and the Kiwis (Maoris). I went there the other day and got out as quick as possible". She went on and on and the poor shopkeepers had to be polite and listen. It made me very angry. I have friends who are Arabic and Islanders. They moved to Australia so their kids could have real opportunities and not be blown up by bombs in Lebanon. So as I left, said the shopkeeper's son, "and our generation are paying for her pension". The guy grinned back at me. However, the woman heard me, followed me outside and went ballistic justifying herself coz "they'd worked hard and gone without holidays" etc. Her husband, thankfully, came and pulled her up and told her she was totally out of line. It taught me something. People will try and hide their racism and sinfulness behind their "hard work" or hardships. Truth is, for all that this lady's family had gone without, the immigrants she talked about have gone without more and worked harder just to get here, let alone get where they are today. :mad:

I take people to task gently when they start these days. I know lots of 1st gen immigrants. I know their stories and I won't put up with them being disrespected or called "xxxxing curry munchers" like a mate of mine was. Course, I'm 6'4", bald and ugly. And I can communicate properly. Most of the racists I've met open their mouths and their brains fall out. So you have to set em straight. Aust and the US were both built by immigrants. Bout time people started remembering that.
 
#59
one side of my family is from south east missouri and arkansas, and the older generation will use the word "negro," and even that just makes me feel awkward for being there.

i was also hanging out with my friend and his brother, who was saying some pretty racist things against mexicans in a very casual way. we also happened to be hanging out with a former band mate and his mexican girlfriend (she has a very light complexion, so my friends brother may not have noticed, though i will never know). no one said anything.

later, my band mate asked me if my friend was racist, and i apologized and had to explain that he wasnt my friend, but my friends brother, who id never met before then.

i know i wont change a racist persons view, ever, so i usually just try to avoid confrontation and leave the area/conversation asap. i dont want to be around that absolutely, absurdly ignorant and hurtful speech. they have the right to spew that crap, and i have the right to not listen to it.
 
#60
Phalex said:
A while back my band had a gig in a fairly rural area... We got into a discussion about my bass, and he volunteered that he played bass way back when, and had a 60 something P-bass that he hadn't played in years.
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If he's there when you go back, maybe you should explore the possibility that that kind of ignorance might translate into letting that 60's P-Bass that's collecting dust at his place go for oh, say a C-Note and a case of Pabst Blue Ribbon.
 

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