Acme Low B2 v. Eden D210 XST

[lawjazz1]

The only setup I might like more with that head is the 12" Flat with the 12" Full Range cabs, and that's because the Carvin has a built-in active crossover when running TRUE bi-amp mode. No other head on the market has this feature, I believe. TECAMP, maybe.

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Do you think I could bi-amp with the Low B2s? Do you think with the 12s mentioned above, I could run full range or only bi-amp?

 

[BassmanPaul]

The usefulness of bi-amp in today's world is limited. Bi-amping Acme cabinets is pointless IMO. You are also using two power amps to put out your signal instead of the one needed.

 

[jeff7bass]

Not really. I run my DRB1260 + DRB112LF (sub) in bi-amp mode all the time. Depending on the room, sometimes just tweeking the X-OVER knob is all I need to do. The X-OVER function is made for the full-range/sub speaker config.

With a pair of identical B2's I agree that bi-amping is not needed. However I still would prefer to run them in Dual Mono (1 AMP per cab) so I could make use of two volume knobs. While I rarely adjust the X-OVER, I always find myself tweeking the AMP1 and AMP2 knobs because of the stage or room.

 

[BassmanPaul]

One per channel is how I run mine. Two per channel is a lot of fun but more work!

The crossovers Andy designed for his cabinets are implemented well and feed each of the drivers what it needs for it's individual passband. As all of them are capable of reproducing the fundamental of a B string using one as a sub and another for high range is pointless.

With the greatest respect Jeff, comparing Dr Bass cabinets to the Acme line leaves me more than a little puzzled. Acme cabinets are world class, Dr Bass is not! That said I'm glad you got delivery.

 

[lawjazz1]

Is there any use in bi-amping not to get the low b on a 5 string, but to better tune the rig for a particular room you are gigging? I actually thought that kicking the lows into the lower cab and the highs into a higher cab might be a useful tool in refining the overall rig to the acoustics of a particular room. Might this be useful even with two stacked low b2 cabs?

 

[Mystic Michael]

Might this be useful even with two stacked low b2 cabs?

What I can tell you is that Acme Sound cabs are specifically designed to be run full range - and that Andy Lewis, Acme's founder & proprietor, specifically recommends that they be used that way - without bi-amping.

That being the case, it's extremely doubtful that you could ever improve upon either their tone or their performance by bi-amping them anyway. Dunno about you, but that's good enough for me.

MM

 

[Session1969]

I had both at the same time to compare.

The Eden 210XST was nice. It had a bit more of a slight raspy/growly quality to it, wasn't quite as clear and clean as the Acme. Seemed a bit louder, but only a bit, and that may have been due to the rasp/growl making it seem louder. The Eden sounded deeper than a lot of bass cabs, but it did not have the low end of the Acme. The Acme goes quite a bit deeper.

The specs that Eden used to publish for the 210XST were technically impossible - they claimed it basically had a flat response down to about 30Hz and had a sensitivity of like 102db - in a box that small, sorry, not possible.

The Acmes are like medium sized studio monitors - very clear, very deep, very even. Their published specs are accurate, including sensitivity, which is definitely lower than most typical bass guitar cabs. These are not built for ear-bleeding volume levels; they're built for sound quality, not quantity.

I sold the Eden, still have a pair of Acmes. I also play keys and use synths and samplers, so they're basically my own small studio quality PA. As long as you're not having volume wars with a hard hitting drummer and/or loud guitarists, they're great.

Well, OP. I'm an eden fan but you can't ask for a better answer, can you ? This is why I love this forum.