Acoustic 600H & 810 cab I tried today!!

[musicman7722]

2 Ohms? Why certainly. That's how you get the full 600W RMS!!! Should be way Monster Killer through your 2 x Avatars. I'm assuming they are 4 Ohm each and at least 300W?

Glad to hear someone else is diggin' these things!

Play On!

Bassmore

No they are 8 ohms each but i might add a third for the drummers monitor as odd as that sounds. right now I place one behind him under his VD drum monitor (a big Powered Mockie Top) and one for me. If I had 3 I could stack 2 for me and give him one.

CP

 

[lindseyp]

No they are 8 ohms each but i might add a third for the drummers monitor as odd as that sounds. right now I place one behind him under his VD drum monitor (a big Powered Mockie Top) and one for me. If I had 3 I could stack 2 for me and give him one.

CP

Not so odd. My second speaker is placed behind our drummer(s). They seem to like that setup.

 

[will33]

OK, since you asked a question, I guess it is OK to respond.

First of all, LOL on the shiny shoes and slicked back hair. Neither are correct, and if you knew the parties involved you would be as amused as we are and realize that nothing could be further from the truth.

On the "pure marketing BS", as you put it, perhaps an explanation is in order.

When you build an 810 by making four individual sealed 2 x 10" internal enclosures each speaker sees a relatively small internal cabinet volume and interacts with that. If you have a speaker that is designed to operate optimally in that environment, no problem, but there is a very high degree of damping as each speaker interacts in a very limited internal cabinet space or doghouse.

When you build an 810 as Acoustic has done, by opening up the chambers, even though the TOTAL internal cabinet volume is unchanged, each speaker is allowed to interact with the entire internal volume of the cabinet which produces lower damping overall and a lower resonant frequency for the cabinet. This assumes that the speakers are designed to operate optimally in this environment, which these are.

The science behind this enclosure and the quasi-open chambers in our opinion provides the best of both worlds. The punch of an 810 with a lower resonant frequency and deeper and more pronounced bottom end, and solid bracing between each pair of speakers, without the floppyness of porting.

In terms of the "art", suggest you audition and compare the cab with your ears rather than dismissing the performance as "pure marketing BS" without having actually checked out the product.

1 driver in 1 cubic foot or 8 of them in 8 cubic feet = same thing, just louder. If the cabinet is resonating it's poorly constructed, the cone will resonate at it fs regardless of being in a sealed or ported enclosure. Ports are not "floppy" if done right and on and on and on. Not to just dis your product here but why not just say it's well braced and dispense with the hype. The OP said it lacked bottom and was a shallow cabinet compared to your 410's and 15's which makes sense, lotta speakers in a little box. Anyway, whatever. I roll my own cabs and probably won't be in the market for cabs for as far into the future as I can see anyway. I did like what I heard out of the 200 head, was hoping the 600 would be the same with more power but apparently it's not. Does seem to be strong sounding decent stuff at it's price. Beats the hell out of other bargain basement products that shall remain nameless.

 

[Stacknobuser]

1 driver in 1 cubic foot or 8 of them in 8 cubic feet = same thing, just louder. If the cabinet is resonating it's poorly constructed, the cone will resonate at it fs regardless of being in a sealed or ported enclosure. Ports are not "floppy" if done right and on and on and on. Not to just dis your product here but why not just say it's well braced and dispense with the hype. The OP said it lacked bottom and was a shallow cabinet compared to your 410's and 15's which makes sense, lotta speakers in a little box. Anyway, whatever. I roll my own cabs and probably won't be in the market for cabs for as far into the future as I can see anyway. I did like what I heard out of the 200 head, was hoping the 600 would be the same with more power but apparently it's not. Does seem to be strong sounding decent stuff at it's price. Beats the hell out of other bargain basement products that shall remain nameless.

Although we appreciate the back handed compliment, guess we will just have to disagree.

This is not a dis! Intelligent, well educated people can come to different conclusions, just like with global warming.

However, we stand by the aforementioned cabinet design nuance and invite you to actually compare the cabs when you get the chance. No hype, just respectfully ask that you consider having real world experience rather than continuing to insist that the world is flat.

BTW, the first version of the 301 cabinet had the same internal volume as the original 361, but the flare of the horn and the bracing significantly changed the performance of the 18" Vega in the enclosure and changed the projection characteristics, the resonant frequency of the cabinet and vastly altered overall performance. There was even a dramatic difference between the HB version and the HC version. There is science behind the art, and simple math is not calculus.

Whatever, indeed!

 

[bonosurf]

When you build an 810 by making four individual sealed 2 x 10" internal enclosures each speaker sees a relatively small internal cabinet volume and interacts with that. If you have a speaker that is designed to operate optimally in that environment, no problem, but there is a very high degree of damping as each speaker interacts in a very limited internal cabinet space or doghouse.

Can you explain what happens at high pressure levels and what is the effect when the drivers are mis-matched in sensitivity? You do match the drivers don't you? What is the Fs of the driver in your design BTW? Are the driver "pairs" connected in series - even worse?

 

[seamonkey]

However, we stand by the aforementioned cabinet design nuance and invite you to actually compare the cabs when you get the chance. No hype, just respectfully ask that you consider having real world experience rather than continuing to insist that the world is flat.

Hey, how about providing some actual measurements like JBL, Myers, and BFM provide? No need to answer as no other bass cabinet manufacturer provides measurements so you fit the mold.

But one think you could answer - are these cabs made of MDF?

 

[Lowbrow]

... I did like what I heard out of the 200 head, was hoping the 600 would be the same with more power but apparently it's not...

??
I stand by my review, posted on page one of this very thread:
"I own the B600H, and it is so far everything I hoped for: a 2-ohm big-rig version of the seductive tone stack that I (and many others) surprisingly discovered in the B200 combo and B200H head."

 

[Count Bassie]

Intelligent, well educated people can come to different conclusions, just like with global warming...

Intelligent, well-educated people do not come to different conclusions about global warming. There is no salesmanship involved here, my man; rather an accumulation of facts/data that recommend a logical deduction.

But hey, I go OT... otherwise I'd have to chime in that I have always loved the sound of the Acoustic 371 rig. I had a 370 head going into a Sunn 215 cab loaded with EV's, and it was just sweetie-pie.

 

[stingray56funk]

I'm looking forward to going back to GC to give the 8x10 a go...again. I played the Acoustic B600H through the 8x10 just to demo some basses and liked it just fine. Didn't blow my socks away but was also something I would consider for amplification if I happened to be in the market (the look is bad arse for sure!). I am going back to GC to give the 8x10 a go with my vintage Ampeg SVT. I want to know what the cab sounds like with some good all tube watts because I'd rather pay $599 plus tax than pay +$999.99 plus tax for the Ampeg fridge if the acoustic sounds close (it may sound better).

Has anyone played any other heads through the 8x10 other than Acoustic brand heads?

 

[rbonner]

You guys are treating Stack like he's an Acoustic Employee, he's a GC guy. Not that there's anything wrong with that... I was in the GC the other day and they just got their 810 and a 600H in and I looked it over.

A new sales guy hired for XMAS walked over and asked, "Are you interested in one of those?" I smiled and before I could say, lets hooker up and see if I can blow it up another sales guy goes, "That's BOB he's an AMPEG guy." and I start laughing.

But I looked it over good. The head "LOOKS" nice. The styling is standard Acoustic. The fit and finish on the cab was a little on the weak side. Not to copy the towel bar they had a couple handles on the back that would IMO be harder to work with.

The cab is considerably smaller and lighter than an AMPEG 810. While this is a positive for the Chevy Impala to the gig crowd, I'll have to hooker up before commenting on the cab port construction and operation. I look forward to doing so.

I was always an acoustic fan back in the old days. My dream rig alternated between an 18" folded horn and a double bottomed SUNN. I was a very confused youth.

I'm leaving for the west coast tomorrow, but I will check in on the setup in two weeks if its still there and give it the warranty test. See if I can knock some Les Pauls' off the wall with the thing. BOB

 

[stingray56funk]

You guys are treating Stack like he's an Acoustic Employee, he's a GC guy. Not that there's anything wrong with that... I was in the GC the other day and they just got their 810 and a 600H in and I looked it over.

A new sales guy hired for XMAS walked over and asked, "Are you interested in one of those?" I smiled and before I could say, lets hooker up and see if I can blow it up another sales guy goes, "That's BOB he's an AMPEG guy." and I start laughing.

But I looked it over good. The head "LOOKS" nice. The styling is standard Acoustic. The fit and finish on the cab was a little on the weak side. Not to copy the towel bar they had a couple handles on the back that would IMO be harder to work with.

The cab is considerably smaller and lighter than an AMPEG 810. While this is a positive for the Chevy Impala to the gig crowd, I'll have to hooker up before commenting on the cab port construction and operation. I look forward to doing so.

I was always an acoustic fan back in the old days. My dream rig alternated between an 18" folded horn and a double bottomed SUNN. I was a very confused youth.

I'm leaving for the west coast tomorrow, but I will check in on the setup in two weeks if its still there and give it the warranty test. See if I can knock some Les Pauls' off the wall with the thing. BOB

In all honesty though Bob, he is a GC Corporate Employee and may work directly with Acoustic since GC owns Acoustic.

Just saying...

 

[evergroove]

Don't know if the question fully got answered but at least the B410 is made of MDF. MDF doesn't effect the sound, does it? I realize it doesn't weather well. Hell, it doesn't really weather at all! That is my larger concern.

Any other concerns about having an MDF cab?

I'm think about taking the B410 back and getting an Avatar -or- selling the B410 and avoiding the ******** restocking fee.

 

[rbonner]

MDF is just another form of Psuedo-Wood. It's generally more inexpensive than plywood, its also heavier.. Whether partical board, plywood or MDF none of the three like getting wet. So I don't see much concern here.

If you want a waterproof cabinet, may I suggest you either build your own or take a premade cab completely apart and haul it over to the truck bedliner guy and have him spray it inside and out. This would definately waterproof the thing.

Boats have balsa wood covered in fiberglas and if they are built right the balsa stays dry, same theory.

Then buy some of those weather treated speakers that look like they have rubber all over them.

I'd think you could play the Titanic then. If you don't like your cab, sell it, return it or whatever. If it plays like you like, enjoy it.

BOB

 

[evergroove]

Excellent points, Bob.

 

[Boostedrex]

1 driver in 1 cubic foot or 8 of them in 8 cubic feet = same thing, just louder. Ports are not "floppy" if done right and on and on and on.

Will is correct here. The bracing of the cabinet doesn't act as any sort of "internal cabinet port." It simply reinforces the cabinet. A well braced cabinet will always sound better than one without bracing. The less the walls of an enclosure flex the better. So while there will be an audible improvement by having all that bracing in the new 810 cab, it has nothing to do with internal porting. It's due to a more rigid enclosure.

BTW, the first version of the 301 cabinet had the same internal volume as the original 361, but the flare of the horn and the bracing significantly changed the performance of the 18" Vega in the enclosure and changed the projection characteristics, the resonant frequency of the cabinet and vastly altered overall performance. There was even a dramatic difference between the HB version and the HC version. There is science behind the art, and simple math is not calculus.

See above. The additional bracing would make a big difference. If you have flex problems with the enclosure walls then you will lose output from the driver. So by adding bracing, you make a more solid enclosure and lose less due to wall flex. And I'm not trying to argue the benefit of a horn at all, you're right on that one.

The original pitch about increasing the damping of the drivers thanks to "ported bracing walls" is pure snake oil. While you are increasing the damping of the drivers due to increased airspace is accurate, that's only because they are in a large common chamber instead of 4 pairs of 10" drivers in 4 small chambers.

Now that I'm done arguing that, I do have to say that after auditioning the B200 and B600 heads as well as the 410, 810, and 115 cabs recently that Acoustic has some nice gear. I really dig the tone I was able to get out of all of those cabs. The heads look to be nice and solid with a really competitive price point. The B600H is actually on my short list for a new head for my DIY bass rig. Keep up the good work and the quality products guys.

 

[skywalkerla5]

What I don't understand is how a 2 ohm head can power a 4 ohm cabinet. Does that mean you can power 2 8x10's with the one b600h?

 

[Bassmore]

Yes,
That is what that means.

Play On!

 

[Slackerprince]

Wow, this thread has had some serious resurrection!
I'm still kicking myself for selling my B200 combo.
Hated the weight and went to the lightweight thing
with a GK MB210.
Won't go into it, but miss my B200.

S

 

[5StringJohn]

I have an Acoustic b600 head with an Acoustic 2x10 neodymium cab and an Acoustic 1x15 neodymium cab. You can get a variety of sounds out of the head. By adjusting the gain and master you can go from a "clean" bass sound to a semi distorted sound. I've had the head turned up halfway at 4ohms for 45 minutes and it never got hot. I like the tuner out feature and the wet/dry mix on the effects loop. Also you can tune in a good tone rather quickly. It has a 6 band e.q. which goes down real low and up real high. I have tried the b200 head as well and has almost exact same tone at lower volumes. The head does not move around on my stack (the rubber feet are large and hold well). Also I tried the regular 1x15 and 4x10 and the neo cabs are much more responsive. I play with a Schecter Stiletto Studio 5 string and have play down to G# which is extremely low and many amps and cabs I have played through don't handle that as well as the Acoustic does. I am really happy with the quality, tone, and performance of my Acoustic rig. I am a big fan of the G.K. tone, but i heard bad things about some overheating and had a price range a little less than the G.K. head i wanted so i bought a Markbass Distorsorre tube overdrive pedal and can come pretty damn close to a G.K. tone.

 

[johny martin]

Im very happy with my set up, turn my tweeters off, set notch filter to 12 o'clock, same with bass and the 3 mids to about 2 o'clock and one trebble to about 9 o'clock and one to 3 o'clock or so.
Low B sounds good through it, head fits fine on my cabs,love the spring loaded handles.
And like the fact that if I only need one cab I only load and carry one cab!
gonna buy the casters though.

I dont real mess with effects,if I change any thing ,it's norm. on my bass cut/boost knobs, or pickup mix/blend real simple , easy to use set up and take down.
And I think it sounds great.

I was playing out of an old Peavey 1x15 combo (70's/80's) not sure the modle,wich had plenty of power for what weve been doing, but prefer the range , tone ,and general sound , and clearity of my Acoustic.