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Adding a 115 or 118 to marshall jcm2000?

ssiep

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Nov 9, 2014
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My son is a guitar player and is now playing his Fender Bass VI in his new band. He plays his guitars through a marshall JCM 2000 DSL50 tube amp. He likes the sound with the 6 string bass through this amp but wants more bottom end. I would like to buy him either a new bass rig or just another cabinet to use with his marshall. Anyone have experience adding a big single speaker cabinet to a guitar amp? Does it work? Any suggestions? Any input is appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
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His 50 watt tube is extremely loud. And sounds great at volume. I'd understand if it was a solid state amp... But then again I am no expert. His marshall cab is a 4-12. Not sure how a couple more similar size speakers would make a difference?
Like I said I'm no expert, so if anyone wants to explain that in layman's terms, that would behelpful
 
It is loud for guitar. Think of it like moving a weight, bass is a 50 lb weight (low sounding stuff) and guitar is more like a 10 lb weight. Guitar speaker doesn't have to push as hard or far (out and in) as a bass speaker must. That guitar cab is like putting minibike tires on a semi.
 
Thanks for the explanation, So since the 6 string bass is being used with this setup and it sounds good.. And loud, it would sound different with a bass amp and cab or just louder?
Sorry if these are dumb questions
 
So I see where this is going and I'm not trying to disagree, just trying to understand. The video is a guitar speaker with a bass amp, which I assume is pushing more watts than the speaker can handle. The bass 6 uses guitar pick ups, bass strings , and is tuned an octave lower than a guitar, which, if I understand is the same as a bass. the 6 is just a longer scale neck than standard guitar, with bass strings. A lot of guys drop tune their guitars and use guitar amps... (I hardly know enough to assume what sounds feasible... Could be dangerous, eh?)
If he is playing through a cabinet that is matched to his amp, it seems feasible enough that by adding a big bass speaker to the current set up might just get him the low end he is looking for while not beating his guitar speakers to death, no?
 
Big doesn't mean "bassy" and amplifiers don't know or care what you hook up to them. "Bass" amps can have different tone control
frequency points that help refine the tone easier.....or not (many Fenders and Ampegs). You asked for easy? The video is running a guitar amp that is matched to the speaker and volume levels were not changed. The strings and scale will determine the fundamental and harmonic frequencies that the amp gets to reproduce, not the pickups.
Yes guitarists that detune do have problems with speakers.
 
B-string, I appreciate your time and patience. I'm not opposed to buying him a bass rig, just trying to weigh the options, and avoid a
"What's the best amp under $1000" debate, because I know everyone has has their opinions.
I do welcome some comments on that topic though, since it looks like that's the direction I'm headed in. Or if anyone else has opinions on the original question. This is an interesting topic... Said the guy who can't play a note
 
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this is a tricky question; those bass 6s are kinda guitars but not really, kinda basses but not really.

with guitars, people mis-match and hodgepodge all sorts of things together, and if it sounds good it is good.

with bass, you want to follow some acoustics rules (matching cabs, sub-frequency and excursion limiting, etc.) to get solid, even low end that doesn't blow speakers.

i've always found those "in-between" instruments (baritones, bass 6s) to sound best through high-headroom guitar amps with plenty of speaker area. real bass amps just have too much "fidelity" for funky instruments like that.

anyway, an easy trick here might be to wrangle an average bass combo, like 2-300 watts into a 15 or a couple of tens, take the preamp out or FX send from that mashall and run it into the bass amp, which he would slowly bring up just to blend in some additional lows.
 
Under no circumstance should you consider letting your son mix a Marshall half stack with
a 1x18" cab.
This was the before and after effect when I tried it back in November 1972.
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Without the 18" connected.
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A few moments later having changed the impedance selector
and pluged it in.:-)
Speaker mixing leads to all sorts of unintended effects.
 
To address the initial post, I think the smart decision would be a bass rig.

My opinion, based on some experience in years past with gigging, and all of my experience as a whole in rehearsal spaces, studios (well, A studio), basements and garages with other musicans:

The guitar rig is fine IF this is true:
NOT a metal or hard rock band
Respectful and experienced group of musicians
Volume is kept to only the level that some louder acoustic instruments could be used without amplification, i.e. horns, hand drums piano, etc

IF any of those things are false, then the smarter solution is a bass rig. I think B string nailed the analogies pretty well. The fact is that our ears are "calibrated" for the human voice. We hear a certain part of the audio spectrum more easily than the rest of it. This part of the range we hear better in shares the frequency spectrum with the standard range of guitars. The range that bass guitars live in uses quite a bit of it, especially the upper strings on a low E 6- string. The lower notes, dip down to near frequencies we can't even hear, so they kind of just muddle together. The ear needs the other part of the spectrum that we can hear to help us out... thankfully there are also harmonics that are higher present in each note. We need help discerning the lower notes from nondescript rumble. This requires a lot of moving air. More cone area moves more air. The frequencies we need to vibrate the air at need cones that can move in and out quite far. It takes lots of power to make the cones produce these frequencies at high enough air pressure to be useful in a group of other instruments. Guitar rigs in the majority of these situations just can't meet either the power or air pressure requirements that playing a bass guitar needs. Guitars don't need to be as loud for us to hear them, the amps have less output. The speakers don't need to move as much, or handle as much power, so they simply aren't designed for use in a portion of the bass guitar's range at much more than unusable levels. You can cut your lawn with a string trimmer, but a mower is actually designed to do that. It's a BASS guitar, not a bass GUITAR. Yes they have the same shape, use strings, and have the same notes an octave apart. But they are very different instruments, and need at the least, different speakers.
The suggestion for a 200-300 watt 115 combo is valid and a sturdy minimum that can be had for anywhere from under $100 used to near the budget you mentioned.

Now, let's talk about that budget... if you really are willing to get a rig truly worthy of being a good equivalent bass rig to a 50 watt Marshall all-tube half stack, that budget is pretty darn near what you'll need shopping new. The equivalent brand in the bass world is (arguably) Ampeg. There are many many other brands just as wonderful, been around for decades, great customer service, yadda yadda, but in the bass world, Marshall isn't one of the top dogs. They actually dropped out a few years ago. They have some good bass amps, but the cabinets.... for the price, meh.
 
So my son actually happens to work at a music store. I think the owner can order Ampeg. What would be a good choice for a head and cabinet. They play pretty aggressive punk rock. So volume counts. Either a stand alone rig or something running through guitar amp and bass amp?
I have read some reviews on the svt 7 pro that we're a little sketchy. But that might have been a certain production year?
 
I think that a lot depends on how he views the six. If he sees it as a low tuned GUITAR then that's what you have to amplify. In this case a guitar amp with a HP filter to protect the speaker cabinet. If he is using it as a bass then a bass amp is called for.

I only have had one experience of the Fender VI. That was back in the Sixties when my bass was stolen. I borrowed the VI from a friend and tuned the thing in fifths right across the neck. Through my bass amp it sounded OK but I had a bit of trouble with the string spacing. I've got these little fat fingers!! :D

My main basses are six strings, all made by Carvin. The one in my Avatar is an LB76WP.
 
So my son actually happens to work at a music store. I think the owner can order Ampeg. What would be a good choice for a head and cabinet. They play pretty aggressive punk rock. So volume counts. Either a stand alone rig or something running through guitar amp and bass amp?
I have read some reviews on the svt 7 pro that we're a little sketchy. But that might have been a certain production year?

He would probably be better served buying used for this.
 

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