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Adding low-end to a rig with sub cabs

No affiliation with the seller, but an excellent deal if you're looking for a pair of Jack 110s (three, if your amp will handle 2.7 Ohms, is not, I think, an unreasonable modular rig, and these appear to be well-built):

For Sale - Pair Bill Fitzmaurice Jack 110s

Hell, at that price even I'm tempted to go buy them. Considering the effort I went thru with my jack lites, 350$ seems like a deal considering they're loaded with Deltalite 2510s.
 
I use a single 12 EV p.a. sub under my Mike Arnopol cab.
I run effect loop out to the sub, hi out of the sub to my effects return.
This runs the sub from 42 hz. to 100 hz. then crosses to the upper cab. Easy, two cables, no other processing.
 
No affiliation with the seller, but an excellent deal if you're looking for a pair of Jack 110s (three, if your amp will handle 2.7 Ohms, is not, I think, an unreasonable modular rig, and these appear to be well-built):

For Sale - Pair Bill Fitzmaurice Jack 110s

Phil's a great guy and a reputable seller for sure, and I've actually played through those cabs at a GTG.
 
They look great but unfortunately we're on opposite sides of the country
Maybe hit him up and see what you could work out for price and shipping. Doesn't hurt to ask.

I've not played through the Jacks, but I did get to play through a stack of four Omni 10s (Jack predecessor) once. I don't think that a Jack-stack would have the kind of bass response you'd expect from a sub but, if you like the one you have, two -- or three -- should, in addition to being louder overall, give you some more reinforcement in the low frequencies through coupling. On top of that bit of "free" bass, you will have more cab-headroom with which to play around with EQ -- adding some low frequencies or cutting some upper frequencies to make the sound relatively bassier. I'd still expect it to be a fairly bright, open, and not-super-deep sound overall, but you'd have more available bass and a more full "default" sound than you do now.

Phil's a great guy and a reputable seller for sure, and I've actually played through those cabs at a GTG.
If you feel comfortable sharing, Charlie, what was your opinion of them -- or of the BFM Jacks in general? I know that they're reputed to be mid-forward and not have a ton of low end, but what do you think of stacking them with the OP's tone goals in mind?

There really isn't much interest for bass in frequencies under 50 Hz All you get down there is a muddy mix and stage rumble.
If you feel like you need more lows it usually more 100-250hz

That can certainly be the case, but, in my experience, it's situational and depends on the equipment and how you go about it. The MAS 8"-based cabs, for instance, have a -3 dB point somewhere in the 30s (lower than any full-range bass cabs I'm aware of except for the Acmes) and they are some of the clearest, least muddy cabs with substantial deep content that I've heard. (They remind me of little versions of the uber-subs I heard at a DJ shadow show more than anything.) They are a rarity, though, and I'd rather hear a rig roll start to roll off at 60 or 80 Hz than hear deep-bass-done-badly.

Too, sometimes the boom and mud happens higher up -- even in the 100-250 Hz range -- sometimes a small cut there can clear things up -- and isn't always the fault of the deep bass (though sometimes it is).

Finally, if you're doing deep bass, there is the ubiquitous HPF recommendation -- even if you just filter out the stuff below 25 Hz, it can make a significant difference in clarity with some amps and cabs.

Hell, at that price even I'm tempted to go buy them. Considering the effort I went thru with my jack lites, 350$ seems like a deal considering they're loaded with Deltalite 2510s.
Yeah -- I have cabs that I like but, for a certain kind of sound I bet these would work really well (and go quite loud with an amp with limited power). If you've got an amp that'll do it, three good 12s is a potent rig (though I know OP said that he doesn't need to go loud right now -- maybe later at his gigs sans PA support, though).
 
I use a single 12 EV p.a. sub under my Mike Arnopol cab.
I run effect loop out to the sub, hi out of the sub to my effects return.
This runs the sub from 42 hz. to 100 hz. then crosses to the upper cab. Easy, two cables, no other processing.

I had a MAS 46 until very recently. On its own, it was a fairly deep (distinct from "bass-heavy") cab. I really liked running mine with a MAS 110 sub, though -- felt that added a lot of girth, "phat," and bigness to the sound -- still very clear, but suddenly great for B-string R&B, Hip-hop, etc. The sub worked well with my AK Hathor 1203, too. I suspect one would work well with the BFM cabs, but, unless you're running off a dedicated power-amp that allows for individual adjustment of levels, might be a bit much for use with one cab -- might work fine, and maybe easily addressable with EQ -- but I think a single Jack would hit its limits sooner as the volume was turned up. Might be a better match for two.

Depending on the sub (active, passive, internally crossed over, etc.) something like a Yamaha PB-1 or an Ashly BP-41 (with a two-channel PA amp), which allow the user to set the crossover point, can be handy. Crest Prolite amps (and some others) also allow the outputs to be configured for a low-passed, full-range, or high-passed signal (though often at a fixed frequency, like 100 Hz).

Yours seems a good way of taking advantage of the sub's internal crossover with a mono-block amp via the effects loop -- hadn't thought of it!
 
Maybe hit him up and see what you could work out for price and shipping. Doesn't hurt to ask.

I've not played through the Jacks, but I did get to play through a stack of four Omni 10s (Jack predecessor) once. I don't think that a Jack-stack would have the kind of bass response you'd expect from a sub but, if you like the one you have, two -- or three -- should, in addition to being louder overall, give you some more reinforcement in the low frequencies through coupling. On top of that bit of "free" bass, you will have more cab-headroom with which to play around with EQ -- adding some low frequencies or cutting some upper frequencies to make the sound relatively bassier. I'd still expect it to be a fairly bright, open, and not-super-deep sound overall, but you'd have more available bass and a more full "default" sound than you do now.


If you feel comfortable sharing, Charlie, what was your opinion of them -- or of the BFM Jacks in general? I know that they're reputed to be mid-forward and not have a ton of low end, but what do you think of stacking them with the OP's tone goals in mind?



That can certainly be the case, but, in my experience, it's situational and depends on the equipment and how you go about it. The MAS 8"-based cabs, for instance, have a -3 dB point somewhere in the 30s (lower than any full-range bass cabs I'm aware of except for the Acmes) and they are some of the clearest, least muddy cabs with substantial deep content that I've heard. (They remind me of little versions of the uber-subs I heard at a DJ shadow show more than anything.) They are a rarity, though, and I'd rather hear a rig roll start to roll off at 60 or 80 Hz than hear deep-bass-done-badly.

Too, sometimes the boom and mud happens higher up -- even in the 100-250 Hz range -- sometimes a small cut there can clear things up -- and isn't always the fault of the deep bass (though sometimes it is).

Finally, if you're doing deep bass, there is the ubiquitous HPF recommendation -- even if you just filter out the stuff below 25 Hz, it can make a significant difference in clarity with some amps and cabs.

Yeah -- I have cabs that I like but, for a certain kind of sound I bet these would work really well (and go quite loud with an amp with limited power). If you've got an amp that'll do it, three good 12s is a potent rig (though I know OP said that he doesn't need to go loud right now -- maybe later at his gigs sans PA support, though).
We've talked about them but the shipping ended up being a fortune
 
Just build a straight forward ported cabinet with a 12" Eminence Kappalite

Plenty of low end, Plenty of highs
All in one simple 2 cubic foot Box

No twisting turning horn flares
Slot ports or goober triangle ports.

Just normal everyday ported box with Flared round ports.

Life can be simple.
The driver is what makes the sound
And the Kappalites are well known performers.