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Advice for fretless bass recording

Hey guys!

I'm a fretless bass player currently playing in several metal bands and I'm looking for some advice to get a better recorded sound.

First, here's my current recording gear: I'm playing a passive Peavey Palaedium fretless, plugged into an Ashdown MAG 300 head going to an Ashdown 1x15 cab (can't remember the exact name of it, I think it's discontinued), miced with a Shure Beta 52; I usually blend the direct out of the head and the miced sound with an M-audio Fast Track Ultra.

This worked quite well for several recordings I made, but mostly with fretted basses, and the last time I recorded my fretless bass for one of the projects I'm working on, I was very dissatisfied by the sound I obtained from that recording chain: the sound from the head's direct out had very good definition but was quite over-agressive in the highs, while the miced sound was extremely dark and bassy, and blending the two together didn't result in a good sound by any means: I actually preferred the sound of my bass going directly into the M-audio because it was more balanced and had much better sounding midrange, even though it lacked power, and that's eventually what I used to record... Obviously, I've been thinking of upgrading my recording gear ever since.

In the long run, I'm thinking of getting a better head and cab, but in my current situation I'm looking for something that would help me get a better sound while still being somewhat portable, i.e. a preamp or amp head but not a head + cab combo. My first idea was to go looking for a bass preamp/di that I would put between my bass and recording interface, and I actually tried out some of these: the Aguilar ToneHammer, EBS ValveDrive and Tech 21 VT Bass. The one I liked better was the ToneHammer because of the adjustable mid frequency control (which I think is particularly critical for fretless) and its rather transparent tone; I thought the other two were great as far as overdriven sounds were concerned, but that's not really what I'm looking for, I like the clean sound of my fretless bass and I'd like to make it beefier without coloring it too much.

But my main question here actually is: is a preamp the piece of gear I need in that situation? Wouldn't it be better to get a good amp head and plug it directly into my recording interface? I've not often heard of people using amp heads only for that purpose, i.e. without even plugging it into a cab, but I'm wondering if that might not be better than getting a preamp, with the added advantage that I would then only need to get a new cab to have a good setup for both recording and live shows. What do you think? I'm sorry this is all kind of vague, I actually wish I knew what would fit my needs here, but any suggestions as to how to make my recorded sound better would be greatly appreciated!
 
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I have never liked the sound I got trying to record directly to a PC sound card. I know some guys say "modern" computers have really good sound cards but it doesn't work for me, so far. I got a relatively inexpensive (FocusRite Scarlett 2i2) recording interface. I got the best results driving that from the DI out from my amp head, but going from a DI pedal (DarkGlass B7K) was also really good.

My basses are active, so YMMV. But my recommendation would be bass -> some kind of DI -> recording interface -> computer.
 
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Thanks!

Actually, when I said "sound card", I meant my M-audio recording interface, I'll correct the original post to make that clear.

So you say using the DI out of your amp head worked well? I guess I assumed that wasn't great because as I mentioned, I was not satisfied by the DI out of my Ashdown amp head, but it might be that the head itself wasn't that great (that's actually most probable).

Are there any specific things to look for when trying to use an amp head plugged directly into a recording interface (apart from the presence of a DI out), like the amp's power or impedance? Also, are there any brands/models you would recommend for the sound I'm looking for, i.e. rather transparent fretless sound with clear midrange?

Anyone else on whether a preamp or an amp head would be best in that situation?
 
Hey!

I'm a fretless bass player in metal too :)

1. An external bass preamp for a passive instrument is a good idea. It helps to load your pickups and works better than hi-z inputs in cheap sound cards. It's very useful at the stage also. ToneHammer sounds good, transparent and its mid control really useful for fretless. All what you think about it is true.

2. If you use a head for DI output you just use its preamp section. Any differences from external preamps that you have here are its useless power amp section and quite higher price and weight. You can not use its power amp output for recording.
 
So you say using the DI out of your amp head worked well? I guess I assumed that wasn't great because as I mentioned, I was not satisfied by the DI out of my Ashdown amp head, but it might be that the head itself wasn't that great (that's actually most probable).
It worked for me, YMMV. I've heard amp-based DI quality varies widely, but I have only one example - my Hartke LH-1000.

Also, are there any brands/models you would recommend for the sound I'm looking for, i.e. rather transparent fretless sound with clear midrange? Anyone else on whether a preamp or an amp head would be best in that situation?
I'm a little biased - I like the DarkGlass products and for metal, the B7K gets a lot of love. I've used its DI as well as the LH-1000 and thought they were both fine. I plan at some point to add a Vintage DeLuxe to the options since I believe it will be a slightly better match for what I'm playing now (blues) but the B7K isn't going anywhere,

I think a good quality DI (or a preamp with some drive and EQ - with a DI...) would help you a lot. There are many from which to choose and a few actually can take the output of the power amp if you really like what that's doing for you -- but you won't get the tone-shaping influence of the speakers anyway.

I don't play metal, but I do play fretless.
 
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Dima B: thank you so much for the clarification on the preamp/power amp sections in an amp head, that's really what I needed to know to decide between getting an amp head or a preamp. I think you're right in saying that an external preamp will work well with my passive bass.

ArtechnikA: the B7K definitely looks nice, and I think I'd prefer it to the VT Bass, but I don't think it's what I need because I'm not into overdriven fretless sounds that much and even though it has two mid controls, their center frequencies (1000 Hz and 2.8k Hz) are not the ones I usually like for fretless. I think I'd rather get a ToneHammer, which offers good tone-shaping and is significantly cheaper than the B7K, and then possibly add a Darkglass pedal that only offers overdrive like the Vintage Microtubes if I really want those tubey sounds (which I actually might get with the ToneHammer by itself).

So I think I'm going to go with the ToneHammer here, it's relatively inexpensive and I think it will work well for recording while I try to find a new head/cab combo.

Thanks again for the comments!