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Advice on custom cab stack

I own a semi custom compact and lightweight 115 neo cab without tweeter. Now I've been thinking about getting a 112 specifically a EVM12L loaded cab and then I thought why not make it a stack. The dude that built my 115 (he builds bass cabs exclusively) is open to building it but I don't have a reply regarding the stack idea yet. Do you think this could work? I'm a metal player going for pick grind with good top end and some drive.
 
Non-matching drivers could fight each other causing undesirable results like peaks and cancellations. What is the 15? Unless it is very similar to the 12 you want to use, it is unlikely they will complement each other. There is always the "luck" factor, but that is a gamble.

Is there a 12 from the same "series" or "line" that the 15 is from? If you want to run 115+112 they must (should) be of the same design, and the cabs need to (should) be as well. Differences pose a risk of them not working well together.
 
@basscooker is giving you the advice you will hear from most.

The size of a driver means nothing (other than a little more speaker are will be a little louder) - 15s are not inherently deeper than 12s.

Mixing cabs is, at best, a gamble.

Your best bet, if you like a cab, is to get a second matching one.
 
He said nothing about them not working together. I once got a 210 from him to put on top of a 212. I trust him since he worked for Glockenklang before setting up his own business and is a go-to for quality cabs here in Germany. His cabs are semi to fully custom. Since he sells directly the prices are very competitive. He said he can make it match my 115 dimensions wise. He recommended the eminence delta pro 12a as a cheaper option. The cab would be 400€ with the eminence.

@basscooker I really GASed for something with a EVM12L or similar. I've seen it recommended quite often around here.
 
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Since he built the 15, he would probably be good to make the 12 to match acoustically, and your post above answered my next question; does he remeber or have the plans for the 15 so he knows its character, and he knows your new cab needs to match.
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Your builder would be the best person to answer this.
Since the box has a big effect on how a speaker performs us on the internet can only guess what your current is like and even more guessing as to what the 12 would be like.

Can you stack a 12 on a 15? Yup.

It is fantastic! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Pretty good. :)
Ok but you are limited buy the weakest of the two speakers. :bored:
Or not so good. :(

It depends. All are valid answers.
 
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He said it'll work because both are non linear and mid focused while not competing in the low end. The 12" would add "dirty" mids and highs to the 15"s oomph and said what wouldn't work is combining a linear with a "character" cab. Not that I know what that means :)
I have no idea what that means either. Your best bet is to have him build a second 1x15 identical to your first; the matched pair are guaranteed to sound good together. Anything else is a crapshoot.
 
I’m going to go against the grain here and suggest that different speakers do indeed have different characteristics.

In the past I had a 2x10 that sat proudly on top of a matching 2x15. Powered by a GK 800RB (300 watts to the 15’s and 100 to the 10’s) it was a pleasure to play. Now I have a rig that features 2 10’s sitting on top of 2 12’s. Again, independently powered and a pleasure to play. None of these cabs sound as good alone as they do together. I will not argue about this. I have said my bit, I will go now.

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I own a semi custom compact and lightweight 115 neo cab without tweeter. Now I've been thinking about getting a 112 specifically a EVM12L loaded cab and then I thought why not make it a stack. The dude that built my 115 (he builds bass cabs exclusively) is open to building it but I don't have a reply regarding the stack idea yet. Do you think this could work? I'm a metal player going for pick grind with good top end and some drive.

I’ve had very good luck stacking speaker cabs with different sized speakers. I don’t know if I’ve just had the good fortune to own compatible speakers or if vertically orienting the cabinets is more forgiving of their differences, but the sound paired is by far a huge improvement over either cabinet by itself. My previous configuration is a sealed 112 loaded with an Eminence Legend BP 122 on top of a ported 115 loaded with an Eminence CB 158, with both cabinets driven by a GK 500 MB amp. I don’t do anything special other than to get the center of the speaker cones vertically aligned, and I also try to sit the 112 on the 115 where the speaker cones are in the same plane (same depth as viewed from the front of the stack).

More recently, I’ve been sitting an Ampeg SVT 210 AV (sealed cab) vertically on top of the same 115 cab described above, driving both cabinets with the same GK 500 MB.

In both configs, both speaker cabs have no tweeter / crossover in either cabinet. This doesn’t mean you will or won’t have good luck with your idea, it only means it can work in some cases.
 
I own a semi custom compact and lightweight 115 neo cab without tweeter. Now I've been thinking about getting a 112 specifically a EVM12L loaded cab and then I thought why not make it a stack. The dude that built my 115 (he builds bass cabs exclusively) is open to building it but I don't have a reply regarding the stack idea yet. Do you think this could work? I'm a metal player going for pick grind with good top end and some drive.
Are you bi-amping?
I used to run an EV 12 on top of an EV15. I would bi-amp them with a GK800rb. It was amazing, especially with dirt.
 
I'm going to hook up a Laney R500H to both cabs. The amp delivers 500W @ 4 Ohms. Output at 8 Ohms is not specified. I'm guessing it's 250W.

I don't care for the EQ section but it does have an fx loop so I'm tempted to run comp, drive and preamp into the fx return. The master volume comes before the fx loop tho. At least that's what I can tell from the diagram in the manual. That makes my preamp volume the master volume. But it's cranked to deliver the desired tone. I guess the only way to give me more control would be to not use the fx loop and keep the amp eq flat?
 
Some people say the Delta Pro 12A is similar to the EVM12. I don't think it will have quite as much character but it will take more power and put out more lows. It won't take a lot of power or put out a lot of lows...it's really more of a high quality mid range driver for PA cabs IMHO.

The only way you will find out how well the Delta Pro pairs with your existing cab is to try it. Maybe it will work great, maybe it wont. If you are willing to spend 400€ to find out, go for it.

Do you like tweeters? If yes, I would suggest a second cab tuned like the first with an added tweeter an HPF section and L-pad for the tweeter.

The problem with mixing cabs:
AFAIK it's really not about driver size. Instead it's about how the cab is tuned. The port is tuned so that it extends the low end of the cab. Essentially at some frequency the driver starts rolling off, and the port starts to become increasingly resonant so it can reinforceme the low end. The frequency where the port is most resonant is labeled Fb.

There are many possible ways to tune a cab. The relationship between Fb and where the driver begins to roll of determines the tuning. This impacts the response curve and also factors such as group delay and phase shift. So if you had two cabs with identical drivers, but they are tuned drastically different, you would have the same type of phase shift and group delay variances that cause dissimilar cabs to sound bad together.

With enough expertise and effort, an engineer can choose different size drivers and make them work together, but I believe specific attention must be given to selecting drivers with compatible Thiele Small parameters. For example, the Greenboy fEARful cabs are all designed to work together, and the Mesa Subway cabs are all designed to work together. But it would probably not be ideal to a Subway cab and fEARful cab.

My experience:
Years ago I bought a GK 700RB/112 combo. The reason I bought this amp is because it was the best option I could find that would fit in the trunk of my Dodge Neon...and it barely fit. The amp pushes 225W into the internal speaker and makes 380W with an extension cab. I found that I was barely getting by on gigs with just the combo. No one was complaining, but I was having a hard time hearing myself and not having a good time. The amp seemed to have more power, but turning up just resulted in more compression, so the speaker was at it's limit.

I have some old BFI cabs loaded with EVM18Bs. The cabs are about 2 cubic feet smaller than the Electro Voice design for these drivers and tuned to about 50hz. My impression is they don't put out very much energy below 100hz, but they put out a lot of low mids. I started bringing one of the BFI cabs for loud gigs. This gave me plenty of headroom, but I would not say the sound was great. I would not say it sounded horrible either, just definitely not as good as it could have been.

The key hear is the BFI could take as much power as the internal speaker in my GK combo, so I at least the combination of mismatched cabs gave me the desired headroom. There is a good chance that a Delta Pro 12A will not take as much low frequency power as the 15, so you may not even get more headroom before the Delta Pro farts out.

I have attached the Delta Pro, cab tuning doc so you can view the capabilities of the driver with different tunings. The large vented design would probably be most appropriate for a bass speaker. Note this tuning specifies a 24db/octave HPF and the power is limited to 150W.

Good Luck!
 

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My amp is 500W at 4 Ohms. The 15" is rated 300W RMS and the Delta Pro 400W. I have to trust the builder. He could recommend another speaker and possibly one that he uses or tell me to go with another 15" cab of the same make. Yet he says it'll work and make the 112 have the same footprint as my 115.

The thing is I don't NEED them to be great in tandem. It would just be a bonus. I'm not in a band and don't depend on the combined volume. If I needed to be really loud I'd order a 412 Delta Pro loaded cab from him. That'b be a blast. I'm mostly curious to try this speaker. What I gathered is that the Eminence is actually better for bass than the EV while sounding very similar being an imitation kinda.

I'm guessing the two in parallel will be seriously loud tho. Hanging in with a 412 guitar cab and a loud drummer, I don't know.
 

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