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Amp/cab pairing, ohms, running 3 cabs..

Hi All,

Hoping to get a little help with my rig(s) and how to make the most of what I have.

Basses:
- Fender Jazz (passive)
- Warwick JazzMan 5 String (active/passive)

Amps:
- Eden WT-550
- Eden WT-1205 (2 power Amps)

Cabs:
- 2 x BagEnd S15-B (2 x Single 15s, 8 ohm each)
- 1 Acoustic 404 transducer ( 6x12 cab, ~5.3ohms??)

I currently am running both s15-B put of the WT-550, but think that I need more. I have to run through our subwoofer at practice to keep up with the drums keys and 3 guitarists. I just got the 2 x s15-b speakers as I thought they should be plenty loud with low end and low mid punch. Somehow I have to push the amp tremendously to keep up.

I am thinking of switching to the WT-1205 (at my other bands rehearsal space) and adding the 6x12. So it would be the 1205 with both 15s and the 6x12.

8ohm + 8ohm = 4 ohm
4ohm + 5.3ohm = 4.65ohm??

Is this possible?
Do I need to use both Amps?
Can I use the 1205 since it has 2 power Amps in it?
How would I connect them?
If needed, can the 6x12 be rewired to accommodate loads better?

If I have 2 8ohm speakers, the amp sees at as 4ohms. If i connect a third, it would see 2ohms. Is there any risk to these speakers by lowering the overall resistance between them all, or do the speakers only care about their own ohms? If that makes sense.. In other words, is an 8ohm cab always running at 8ohms, even though the amp sees at as 2 total? Or do the added speakers see it as 2 also, causing some kind of damage?

Thanks for any help!

TLDR - can I safely run 2x8ohm cabs + 1x5.3ohm cab, via 2 ohm capable amps?
Your guesses at ohms load are off. Basically you can run both of the 8Ω 115 cabs AND the 5.3Ω cab all at the same time. That would generate an ohms load of 2.28Ω. So you can run all three cabs at once from your WT550 amp as it can run a 2Ω load with not problem. The acoustic 612 cab will get a bit more power to it than the 115's will because of it's lower impedance, but should be pretty close.

There were actually two versions (A & B) of the WT550. The A version puts out 300-watts into 8Ω, 500-watts into 4Ω and 620-watts into 2Ω. The B version puts out 300-watts into 8Ω, 500-watts into 4Ω and 750-watts into 2Ω. The B version came out in 2005. I've attached a copy of the 2003 manual for your reference. The manuals were the same, only the power rating on the B was a little higher than on the A version. Thought I had the 2005 manual, but couldn't find it...hope it didn't get deleted. As long as I was attaching manuals, I included one for your WT1205 too just in case you don't have it.

A better choice would be to use your WT1205 specifically because it is a dual-powerblock amp. It's almost the same as having two WT550's in one amp - one for the left channel and one for the right channel. It produces 325-watt rms into 8Ω per channel, 500-watts into 4Ω per channel, or 600-watts into 2Ω per channel. It can also be bridged into one cab with 1,000 watts into 8Ω or 1200-watts into 4 Ω (can be a couple of 8Ω cabs).

I would suggest you plug both 115's into one side and the 612 into the other. Then you can use what I refer to as the "Magic knob", which is really the "Balance" control on the front of the amp to adjust the blend of the cabs in the right channel with the cab in the left channel. Just turn that control it the direction of the side that you want to be louder. Don't make huge adjustments, make small adjustments until you get the blend of sound you like best. If running in bridged mode, center the Balance control at 12 o'clock.

I used to do this Balance knob with my Eden WT500/800 when I ran an acoustic B410 on one side and a GK115bpx cab on the other side. That GK cab was really a boomy cab, but with it plugged into one side all I did was adjust the balance towards the 410 side until the mud went away. Previously I'd run the two cabs through an Eden Nemesis RS400 and had to drop the Bass EQ to about 10 or 10:30 to get rid of the boomy muddy sound of that GK and that poor acoustic 410 really did need the Bass EQ back to flat to sound good. So when I ran it through WT500/800 with one cab on each side, I could run a little less power to the 115 and that cured the mud without cutting the bass EQ.
 

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I know the instrument is called a “bass guitar”, but try not to think of the instrument as something you’d run through a subwoofer. To boost volume, you typically want to CUT the low end (hpf at 50hz), and boost mids. That’s where you’ll get the bulk of your volume.

The 2x15 or 6x10 setup should give you plenty of volume. If you need more, the band needs to turn down. Also, highly suggest wearing ear filters, otherwise you’ll be suffering your whole life. Plus ear filters tend to block out more of the highs, and you’ll hear the bass better.
 
I would suggest trying a hpf in your chain somewhere before fighting the volume wars. Works wonders IME. And maybe get your rig up off the floor w/ a Gramma pad or reasonable facsimile. Just my dos centavos.
The HPF will certainly do that but before trying one, he should just use the EQ on those Eden amps. Bass EQ is pretty much a de facto HPF with both those Eden amps in that it is a shelving control shelving at 30Hz. Additionally both amps have three semi-parametric controls that between the three of them will let you cut or boost any frequency between 30Hz and 12KHz.
 
Hi All,

Hoping to get a little help with my rig(s) and how to make the most of what I have.

Basses:
- Fender Jazz (passive)
- Warwick JazzMan 5 String (active/passive)

Amps:
- Eden WT-550
- Eden WT-1205 (2 power Amps)

Cabs:
- 2 x BagEnd S15-B (2 x Single 15s, 8 ohm each)
- 1 Acoustic 404 transducer ( 6x12 cab, ~5.3ohms??)

I currently am running both s15-B put of the WT-550, but think that I need more. I have to run through our subwoofer at practice to keep up with the drums keys and 3 guitarists. I just got the 2 x s15-b speakers as I thought they should be plenty loud with low end and low mid punch. Somehow I have to push the amp tremendously to keep up.

I am thinking of switching to the WT-1205 (at my other bands rehearsal space) and adding the 6x12. So it would be the 1205 with both 15s and the 6x12.

8ohm + 8ohm = 4 ohm
4ohm + 5.3ohm = 4.65ohm??

Is this possible?
Do I need to use both Amps?
Can I use the 1205 since it has 2 power Amps in it?
How would I connect them?
If needed, can the 6x12 be rewired to accommodate loads better?

If I have 2 8ohm speakers, the amp sees at as 4ohms. If i connect a third, it would see 2ohms. Is there any risk to these speakers by lowering the overall resistance between them all, or do the speakers only care about their own ohms? If that makes sense.. In other words, is an 8ohm cab always running at 8ohms, even though the amp sees at as 2 total? Or do the added speakers see it as 2 also, causing some kind of damage?

Thanks for any help!

TLDR - can I safely run 2x8ohm cabs + 1x5.3ohm cab, via 2 ohm capable amps?
I have been using Bag End 15"s for 30 years and I can tell you what you hear on stage or standing close to your rig and what they sound like volume wise 30 feet or more is very different. Often I have thought I was playing at a low volume only to hear that I'm way loud by another band member or sound man
 
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I can’t even imagine how loud your band is! Running all three of those speakers should be enough to play Glastonbury :-) seriously though, it sounds like your speakers are not tailored to the low frequencies you’re after. The BE are loud but have a pretty steep roll off around 46hz. They make bigger cabs with lower frequency response - but they are not an easy schlep. You might want to consider another maker - there are plenty out there who can help you find what you’re after.
 
I can’t even imagine how loud your band is! Running all three of those speakers should be enough to play Glastonbury :) seriously though, it sounds like your speakers are not tailored to the low frequencies you’re after. The BE are loud but have a pretty steep roll off around 46hz. They make bigger cabs with lower frequency response - but they are not an easy schlep. You might want to consider another maker - there are plenty out there who can help you find what you’re after.

Adding power / drivers to a practice / rehearsal space?!? This is an exercise in futility and well-beyond the threshold of diminishing return IME / IMO. I'd use the 1205 and (2) Bag Ends (...one per side) and add a headphone amp to your pedal board if necessary. Upping the ante in the volume wars won't help.

Riis