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Amp in the pit?

Discussion in 'Amps, Mics & Pickups [DB]' started by tornadobass, Sep 5, 2008.


  1. tornadobass

    tornadobass Supporting Member

    Nov 20, 2000
    Iowa City, Iowa
    I'm doing another musical for our community theatre (King & I). In the past, the shows have had heavy pizz parts on bass and I've used my BugBass EUB successfully.

    This time, there's a ton of arco and I've been asked to use my acoustic upright, an American Standard.

    It's a 29 piece orchestra!

    Will I be able to hold my own if most players are staying soft and I just play out? Or should I bring my GK combo and add a bit of amped volume as well?
     
  2. Kai Sanchez

    Kai Sanchez Supporting Member

    Sep 12, 2006
    Miami
    bring your amp, been there, unless they mike your bass, but if your the only bass player you need to be heard.
     
  3. Ric Vice

    Ric Vice Supporting Member

    Jul 2, 2005
    Olivette, Missouri
    Tornado,
    Well I've played shows without any amp years ago, when I did our local civic theater, but these day's I use an amp. Bowing with a pickup is a little problematic through an amp, especially when you have to switch between arco and pizz in the middle of a number. If you can get away with it I'd figure out a way to cut the volume on arco with a foot pedal. There's also the eq differences between arco and pizz. I don't know how you'll solve that one without two channel amp though?

    Ric
     
  4. rdwhit

    rdwhit

    Mar 18, 2006
    Louisville ky
    yes bring it. you may only need a little volume w/ it. i'd turn the high end down if you're using the bow.
     
  5. peterpalmieri

    peterpalmieri Supporting Member

    Apr 19, 2005
    Babylon, NY
    You may also consider just bringing a mic and go to the house with it and let them worry about it.
     
  6. rdwhit

    rdwhit

    Mar 18, 2006
    Louisville ky
    if you want to keep it simple just turn down the high end in the amp. a fat dark pizz sound usually works for shows like that & the arco stuff will not be scratchy. you can adjust your volume by simply playing louder or softer on the bass itself and not hassling with the amp. bowing through the amp makes it a new animal, but you'll adjust just fine. what kind of strings & pickup are you using.the GK combo is a good amp choice.
     
  7. rdwhit

    rdwhit

    Mar 18, 2006
    Louisville ky
    yes, but you better trust you sound man first! it's easy to screw that one up.:)
     
  8. Ed Fuqua

    Ed Fuqua

    Dec 13, 1999
    NYC
    Chuck Sher publishes my book, WALKING BASSICS:The Fundamentals of Jazz Bass Playing.
    Dude, believe me, you DO NOT want an open mic in the pit. There's a great story about drummer Barrett Deems, he's playing some giant rich fancy NY bar mitzvah and suddenly his bass drum pedal breaks. He makes it through the next few tunes and then there's a big break for speeches and lighting candles and ****. He's down behind the kit working desperately to fix the beater strap , when somebody comes up to the stage and asks to borrow the mic, so the rabbi can pray over the bread. Deems says, under his breath, "**** the bread, somebody pray for my ****ing pedal".

    All of which is picked up by the bass drum mic.
     
  9. peterpalmieri

    peterpalmieri Supporting Member

    Apr 19, 2005
    Babylon, NY
    Funny story about the drummer.

    Everybody seems to be so concerned with "the sound guy" not just this thread but in general, I've used my AMT mic in a pit with no problems. If it is in the house it's usually so low compared to all the vocal mics, it helps fill in the low end in the room, has a nice arco sound and doesn't pickup other things going on around you.
     
  10. Joe Gress

    Joe Gress

    Dec 22, 2005
    Pueblo, CO
    That Just made my day. :D
     
  11. tornadobass

    tornadobass Supporting Member

    Nov 20, 2000
    Iowa City, Iowa
    Good ideas...I asked the music director and he suggests to allow an amp as an option but don't start there. I'd be using a Rev Solo 2 pickup with Permanents for strings.

    The EQ and volume difference for arco/pizz is probably the biggest challenge. I thought of using the boost switch to manage this, but don't have one right now. Another idea was to use an A/B switch and send the bass to the amp with A and nowhere with B, just letting the bass handle its own arco.

    None of the orchestra will be in the house sound system, so the mic isn't an option.
     
  12. Ed Fuqua

    Ed Fuqua

    Dec 13, 1999
    NYC
    Chuck Sher publishes my book, WALKING BASSICS:The Fundamentals of Jazz Bass Playing.
    Even when the violin player grabs it and starts singing along with the chorus, except a half step up? I don't know man, maybe I just work with seriously warped people...
     

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