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Thanks for the advice on the bugera/working man's Amp. Issue about the high/low pass filter and for explaining what the hell that is exactly. I've got a couple more for you when you have time. Your thoughts on a good string maint/cleaner, and, I was given a dean edge 09 that had some problems which I'm in the process of trying to correct. I replaced the factory p/u w/ a new seyour Duncan, had to modify the body & bridge slightly but it made a huge difference, so the next is the truss rod has been troublesome all along but now it's making the bass unplayable. I've researched Truss replacement and it's beyond my ability so I'm going to replace the entire neck, any tricks of the trade I should be aware of during replacement? Any help would be great! Thanks again!
Are you doing more work than the finished product will be worth? I dont know that bass, but new pups and neck for a bass that someone gave away? Obviously keep the pups, you already doled out the cash... But now a new neck? Yikes.
That cab is 1600 BEHRINGER watts. Divide by four. I would be wary of turning up a 400 watt head very high with a bassy tone. Be judicious with the eq and volume until you have learned what that cab can take. 8 ohm or 4 ohm?
That cab is 1600 BEHRINGER watts. Divide by four. I would be wary of turning up a 400 watt head very high with a bassy tone. Be judicious with the eq and volume until you have learned what that cab can take. 8 ohm or 4 ohm?
"Rufus86, post: 21146249, member: 324151"
Thanks for the advice on the bugera/working man's Amp.
Issue about the high/low pass filter and for explaining what the hell that is exactly.
I've got a couple more for you when you have time.
1) Your thoughts on a good string maint/cleaner,
2) and, I was given a dean edge 09 that had some problems which I'm in the process of trying to correct.
3) I replaced the factory p/u w/ a new seyour Duncan, had to modify the body & bridge slightly but it made a huge difference,
4) so the next is the truss rod has been troublesome all along but now it's making the bass unplayable.
I've researched Truss replacement and it's beyond my ability
5) so I'm going to replace the entire neck,
any tricks of the trade I should be aware of during replacement?
Any help would be great! Thanks again![/QUOTE]
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Thanks for the advice on the bugera/working man's Amp.
Issue about the high/low pass filter and for explaining what the hell that is exactly.
I've got a couple more for you when you have time.
1) Your thoughts on a good string maint/cleaner,
2) and, I was given a dean edge 09 that had some problems which I'm in the process of trying to correct.
3) I replaced the factory p/u w/ a new seyour Duncan, had to modify the body & bridge slightly but it made a huge difference,
4) so the next is the truss rod has been troublesome all along but now it's making the bass unplayable.
I've researched Truss replacement and it's beyond my ability
5) so I'm going to replace the entire neck,
any tricks of the trade I should be aware of during replacement?
Any help would be great! Thanks again![/QUOTE]
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My brotha, divide by 4 if the cab is from a sane engineer/manufacturer rating it in peak watts by any sort of standard. BWatts = YMMV. The man has no reasonable definition of peak, much less watts.
Thank you for the help "basscooker", I was told the amp head may be in danger more so than the cab. 1600w cab. W/ 400w Amp. Does this make any sense? (obviously a greenhorn question but try to bear w/me) also the bass which has been described to me as a, how should I put this tactfully... "economy" type guitar has proven to be both very forgiving and easy to play having been attacked by a newby. However I've grown attached and there's no turning back now, your right, I came to a "poopie or get off the pot" moment but I'm sticking w/it. I will get this wrong side of the tracks bass healthy and back on the road again come hell or high water! But I'll need help from the larger, more experienced community if y'all will help the "short bus kid" out. Ha-ha. Thanks again for valuable advice! Also have a humming issue that I'm told this bass is notorious for but, again I'm gonna fix this little bass if it kills us both! This will wait till next time though. Respect to all!
If your concern with the pairing is "underpowering" the cab. Do yourself a favor and stop listening to whoever gave you that advice. Okay, that was a bit of a joke, but no problems. It is perfectly safe to run a vastly less powerful amp into a speaker cab rated for a lot of power.
I'd bet even 200 watts of real-world bass guitar at a decent useable tone could get that cab near its limits.
Bugera is overpriced Behringer; which is entry level, "economy" brand. So always consider it might not be as robust and forgiving as its published ratings would have you believe.
The amp is fine...SWR made good stuff.
Is the cab 8 or 4 ohms? If it is 8 ohms, that should be fair. The amp will push less power into it. If the cab is 4 ohms, be careful with the volume! Note that knob position does not tell you anything about how much power you are releasing into your speakers.
For now, do a couple things:
1. Dont let that bass eat all of your money (I spent $100 on a Squire Bronco that I like and use more than my $700 Ibanez)! Sometimes with gear you have to cut losses and move on!
2. If you get that amp/cab setup, start with gain and volume at zero, all eq at noon or center, and any enhance/shape/contour circuitry off or full counter-clockwise. Small volume adjustments at first; maybe master to 10:00 and slowly nudge up gain. Then small tweaks of eq. For now dont mess with the "special" circuits like bass boost or contour, etc.
3. Practice, practice, practice. Don't chase tone or use distortion / overdrive yet. Learn good right hand/attack techniques and how different plucking or picking positions affect the tone.
4. Have fun. Don't be afraid to set it down and come back later or tomorrow if you get frustrated. In the beginning you will suck. Hell I've been at it for 30 years and I suck. But don't quit, just take a breath, have a break. Keep it fun, but push yourself a bit, a little at a time.
5. Drum tracks or a metronome are helpful, but not mandatory. Learning songs with the recordings will teach you timing too.
I'd bet even 200 watts of real-world bass guitar at a decent useable tone could get that cab near its limits.
Bugera is overpriced Behringer; which is entry level, "economy" brand. So always consider it might not be as robust and forgiving as its published ratings would have you believe.
The amp is fine...SWR made good stuff.
Is the cab 8 or 4 ohms? If it is 8 ohms, that should be fair. The amp will push less power into it. If the cab is 4 ohms, be careful with the volume! Note that knob position does not tell you anything about how much power you are releasing into your speakers.
For now, do a couple things:
1. Dont let that bass eat all of your money (I spent $100 on a Squire Bronco that I like and use more than my $700 Ibanez)! Sometimes with gear you have to cut losses and move on!
2. If you get that amp/cab setup, start with gain and volume at zero, all eq at noon or center, and any enhance/shape/contour circuitry off or full counter-clockwise. Small volume adjustments at first; maybe master to 10:00 and slowly nudge up gain. Then small tweaks of eq. For now dont mess with the "special" circuits like bass boost or contour, etc.
3. Practice, practice, practice. Don't chase tone or use distortion / overdrive yet. Learn good right hand/attack techniques and how different plucking or picking positions affect the tone.
4. Have fun. Don't be afraid to set it down and come back later or tomorrow if you get frustrated. In the beginning you will suck. Hell I've been at it for 30 years and I suck. But don't quit, just take a breath, have a break. Keep it fun, but push yourself a bit, a little at a time.
5. Drum tracks or a metronome are helpful, but not mandatory. Learning songs with the recordings will teach you timing too.
Yup. Take the good pickup out and lose the paperweight bass. Odds are slim that you have half the woodworking skills needed to fit a neck to a body, or you wouldn't be looking for pointers.
You can run the amp all week long so long as it doesn't sound bad.
You can run the amp all week long so long as it doesn't sound bad.
thank you very much for the expertise and input! you have a pretty good read on the situation bro! Here's the general lay of the land, former drummer, jumped out for a while, went over to my girlfriends house & had three kids. After 25 yrs of wedded bliss, was re-released back into the wild. After a chance encounter w/ the singer of my first rock/cover/original band singer & his wife, he invited me to sit in as a temp. Bass player in his existing band siting my previous dabbling in guitar & bass playing. I actually survived the auditions & was picked to play w/ the band temporarily while they continued their search for a perm. Replacement at my suggestion. 2 yrs later they informed me that after surveying many seasoned players, they selected me as their perm. Bassist. (?) so I've got a 400w working man's head w/a 2/10 cab. That was blown & useless from the get go, a 15 "matched cab that was bloodied but not defeated, I quickly was overwhelmed by the giant mesa-boogie guitar stacks & jbl p. A. Towers that surrounded me then added a borrowed 12" jbl speaker in a huge p. A. Cab. (owned previously by a local rock club 400w) that improved volume & gen. Sound but still can't get that true low rumble/growl from this set-up. I've researched & found the best deal thru g/c locally for bugera 1600w cab to add for that truly low bass sound in my price range, but your warnings have me second guessing this purchase. More help/suggestions would be greatly appreciated! On the player front I've confidently mastered and played everything from war pigs,to hardwired to Tom sawyer and lucrectia as well as the original material but am still getting my ass kicked by yyz and LA villa strangiato! But having been recently picked as THE bass player for the band and talk about more serious gigs and going into the studio for original material, THE PRESSURE IS ON to improve skill and gear .so I'm kind of under the gun to get these things squared away. I know this is a long walk off a short pier, but from your earlier responses I guessed you might understand. I love music and regret stepping away from it for so long But this is my last chance to get back in the ring and I am loving the challenge that our chosen instrument will give us all! Any and all advise/criticism welcome! I have great respect & admiration for your dedication & willingness to help the less fortunate and I am all ears! Much love dog!
thanks for the reply, your candor is biting but justified. I am currently jamming with a singer who has won a "battle of the bands" contest Seven(7) consecutive times and a guitar player who has jammed with the likes of Dave mustaine and Kirk hammet, and they have selected me as their bass player. NO ONE IS MORE SKEPTICAL THAN ME! I appreciate your input and criticism so lay it on me! Jam w/somebody today!
If I got it right you have a good amplifier but a semi shagged guitar and no cab? How much money and how much time to get a rig assembled?
Priority would be cab then the bass.
If you play out with PA support most of us can get by with a 210 set to monitor for you and drummer. Lots of wannabe rockstars need more though.
Playing with vocal PA only most of can use a couple of 210 without drowning out the vocals or the drums.
Then it gets silly loud with geetards and 810s and cookie monster vocals.
Priority would be cab then the bass.
If you play out with PA support most of us can get by with a 210 set to monitor for you and drummer. Lots of wannabe rockstars need more though.
Playing with vocal PA only most of can use a couple of 210 without drowning out the vocals or the drums.
Then it gets silly loud with geetards and 810s and cookie monster vocals.
your right, I had problems w/the Amp head but got this quickly fixed by a local quality guitar shop for 60 bucks. It's been blowing out the windows & overwhelming both cheesy 400w swr & 400w jbl P. A. cabs. Ever since. I'm currently playing a brand new ibanez bass while mine is down, honestly, I prefer the Dean w/the Seymour Duncan mutated into the guitar! I've got about 4wks & $300 to get this set-up right for now so, help!
Any chance of upping that in the next wee while?
For 300 you are looking for a good used cab and putting off bass upgrades.
For 300 you are looking for a good used cab and putting off bass upgrades.
Whatever you find, post here before buying.
