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Double Bass AMT - Applied Microphone Technology Inc. - My Awful Experience

I have played an AMT double bass microphone for at least ten years and love it. I think it is a great product. For me the best part of the whole system is the gooseneck that allows an extremely flexible placement of the microphone. It's a great product. My old one began failing and I decided it was time to get a new one. When I googled it I realized that it was available for $544 dollars from multiple sources. I was about to go out on tour again and needed the mic within about two weeks time. I decided to purchase the mic directly from AMT which seemed to me to be the smart move considering a personal relationship with a small local company is better business than say purchasing from Sweetwater or something like that. AMT is not far from my address in NYC. I contacted AMT and ordered the microphone from Luke adding a message in my order that I needed the microphone by a certain date and prepauthorize expedited shipping charges if there were any. The next day I received an email saying my order was being processed. The date was August 14th.

What followed for the next two months was an absolute nightmare. Every week or so I would write an email and ask when I should expect to receive the mic and every time I got a response that "it was being processed and would be going out in a few days". This back and forth continued for TWO MONTHS. I would enquire, Luke would respond, nothing would happen. Over time I tried to stress the need for the mic, remind him that he had already taken my money and that I was being forced to rent and borrow DPAs for tours because my AMT never materialized. He would respond "it's definitely being shipped tomorrow, look for it Monday". The whole charade became totally ridiculous. I can't tell you how stressful it was being lied to over and over again, not knowing if I was ever going to get the mic, trying to research what recourse a person has when a seller takes your money but doesn't send you the product.
My emails became more and more terse as is to be expected. I did stay civil but towards the end I said I may have to take some kind of legal action against the company. Finally after months I got this odd response...

Jason,
We have no intentions on scamming people. Certain microphones take longer then others. Normally we have all these in stock however you ordered yours during marching band season which is very hectic for us this year in particular. I greatly appologise on the inconvience but we have been waiting on a specific part for the bass microphones. This ordered do beleive however is going out in tomorrow mornings pick up so please advise. If you have any other questions please feel free to contact.

As if 'band season' has anything to do with me. As if I should have known it was 'band season'. I mean the guy acted as if two months had not passed of my politely pleading with him to give me my mic. It seems that I needed to be more understanding and patient. Again, I can't tell you how stressful this became. I eventually went back to Japan, where I live, no mic, no hope of ever getting my mic, knowing I was going to have to get my lawyer to start drafting letters. The nerve of this guy.

Well. It seems that a package finally did arrive. I am still in Japan so I won't be able to open it until a month or so. I just have to warn fellow TBers. Do not order a mic from this guy. If you need to buy one, order through Sweetwater or another reputable retailer. Save your self this enormous headache and runaround. I can't say a bad thing about the product. I think it's a good mic. But damn.
 
This does seem to happen often in the boutique bass equipment world. Last Thursday I ordered something relatively expensive from a small maker and it appeared that I was charged twice for it so I sent an email and left a phone message with my concern. No response as of today. I did some more digging and it turns out I was not charged twice after all but a prompt response would have been appreciated.
 
Unfortunately a lot of small business owners seem to think they are entitled to your business and don't have to earn it.

There are other products out there. Off the top of my head:
  • DPA 4099
  • Audio Technica ATM 350a
  • Neumann MCM 114

To my ears the Audio Technica is a bit truer to the sound of the bass but the DPA may be better for live. The comparison videos I have reviewed suggest the DPA provides slightly better bleed rejection and the unequalized tone seems to cut through better. I haven't heard any comparison demos with the Neumann, but I believe it is favorably reviewed.

I do have some experience with the AMT. IMHO, it sounded fabulous as long as the bass was playing solo and the mic was not run through a stage amp. I found the AMT unusable with an amp at the volume we run. Also the mic picked up an excessive amount of bleed from the cymbals that was really nasty. So IMHO it typically did not provide an improvement over using a pickup (YMMV of course). After a few tours, the AMT was sold.
 
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I know my luthier is busy this time of year with students bringing in their violins and cellos to be set up for school. That's the first thing he'll tell me. If he's busy and can't get the work done in a week, he will say it. It shouldn't have been so much back and forth before saying they are busy with marching band season. AMT should have told you when you ordered that there would be a delay because this is their busy season.

All I can say is...

Lame.
 
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I've experienced the 'bait & switch'... I ordered a bass amp advertised online from a local retailer. After waiting for days, I contacted them and was told, "we no longer carry that item... please order something from our inventory, sorry no refunds. I responded that I'm only interested in the item I wanted, please give me back my money so I can go buy it elsewhere, I'm not interested in your inventory". They really fought me for a week or so but finally relented because they knew they were wrong and in shady legal territory.
 
This does seem to happen often in the boutique bass equipment world. Last Thursday I ordered something relatively expensive from a small maker and it appeared that I was charged twice for it so I sent an email and left a phone message with my concern. No response as of today. I did some more digging and it turns out I was not charged twice after all but a prompt response would have been appreciated.

This is pretty common with any credit card transactions and the seller probably wouldn't be able to provide much info anyways. At my work I've seen it all of the time where people pay with a credit card and then see 2 charges from Visa or MasterCard and then they call us and get all mad and all we can really say is to contact the cc company sine 99% of the time we only see 1 transaction hitting the bank. It usually just takes a couple of days and the cc company makes the correction, even without having to inquire with them. But in your particular case, a quick message from the seller to let you know it will be resolved in a day or so would be nice.
 
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Hi Jason; perhaps you missed my comparison of the AMT 25b mic to a Tonedexter wavemap made with that mic, available here: https://www.talkbass.com/threads/tonedexter-vs-amt-25b-redux.1493461/

The Tonedexter II is much better and more versatile than the original Tonedexter used in this comparison, and the customer service of the company is exemplary.

Just sayin’…
Oh. It’s an emulator? Whoa. I know this makes zero logical sense but that seems a little creepy to me! Hahaha! I’m not sure I’m ready for AI and I’m not sure I’m ready for an emulator on my double bass! But I’ll check out the samples later with good headphones. Are you professionally related to this company or just a super fan?
 
AFAIK It’s more like a filter bank that get trained by the mic and pickup when the bass is played. No AI, but still sophisticated analysis. It tweaks the filter characteristic to put out the same signal (or at least the same energy distribution over the frequency range) from the pickup through the filters as the signal coming in from the mic.

The good thing is that it is less feedback sensitive than an air mic. Just needs some time and experimentation to get a good wavemap representing your instrument.
I’m not sure if the sustain characteristic would also be that of a mic, probably this is still pickup-like.
See it as an optimized EQ that you never can get with knobs or sliders.
 
Oh. It’s an emulator? Whoa. I know this makes zero logical sense but that seems a little creepy to me! Hahaha! I’m not sure I’m ready for AI and I’m not sure I’m ready for an emulator on my double bass! But I’ll check out the samples later with good headphones. Are you professionally related to this company or just a super fan?
I have no professional or personal connection to Audiosprockets, the company that makes the Tonedexter. I guess you could call me a super fan, though I’d rather think of myself as an early adopter. I get why you and most other bass players here are leery of this thing. We play a very “organic” (for lack of a better word!) instrument; a large piece of wood that takes considerable physical energy to play and creates strong vibrations that we physically feel as well as hear, and that has remained virtually unchanged for hundreds of years. Leo Fender created a very elegant and efficient solution to the problem of providing low notes to music, yet we still stick to this unwieldy and hard-to-manage instrument. Much of the music that most of us play is similarly “organic,” with strong cultural connections and a strong sense of community among musicians. We revere musicians of the past, many of whom have been dead for decades. When we need volume out of our instrument beyond what it’s capable of producing on its own, it only makes sense to turn to a microphone to amplify the sound, and then to a pickup to round it out. And this is what most of us do, including me for many years, chasing down the rabbit hole of mics, pickups, preamps, etc., chasing what we think our bass sounds like (only louder!) so we can forget about sound and just play! Thus, it seems almost sacrilegious to the point of hypocritical to embrace such an “inorganic” thing as the Tonedexter which is so far from the very visceral nature of wood, strings, and vibrations that attracts us so much to this instrument. I get it!

For me though, the final arbiter is sound, and it’s here that the Tonedexter delivers. It brings the sound of a mic without all the downsides of a mic that everyone has mentioned to live performance through an amplifier. There’s a learning curve involved, but I’m basically a knob-twister and I’m getting a handle on it, so it’s not beyond the reach of anyone with a little effort. Most of the time, it allows me to forget about sound and just play!
 
AMT recently lost their main sales and artist relations guy, Ron Oswanski, who started his own, very similar mic company called EVNO. The mics look almost identical, and they’re getting great reviews. Might be worth looking into.