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An experiment with cabinet mic'ing...

groovaholic

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I've always had better results with using a DI than with micing my cabs, but I often had to do a lot to make the DI sound the way I think my bass should - so I wanted to test out some different mic options...

For the first attempt at my test, I taped off a square on my speaker grille so that I’d be putting the mics in the same spot, then I recorded a sample with each mic.

There were clear differences – but between different volume levels and different performances, there were too many variables to be able to conclusively say what made the difference.

So for my next attempt, I set out to remove the variables:

I wanted to have the same performance every time, so I played into a looper to ensure that what I recorded each time was exactly the same.

Knowing that our ears tend to trick us into preferring louder sounds, I wanted a way to gain-match, so I used a signal generator to play a few seconds of a sine wave at 120 Hz into my looper before I started playing my bass.

(I picked 120 Hz because I wanted it in the bass range, but any lower and you start getting into the range where the mics or cabinets might start rolling off).

Once I had the loop recorded, I was able to record all the various mics in the exact same spot with the exact same performance.

Then, I could see which performance was the loudest and use the sine wave portion to see what dB level output that represented. (In my case, the loudest sine was -16.2dB)

So then I looked at each sample, and adjusted the waveform to make the sine portion of the sample measure -16.2dB -- if the sine was -20dB, I added 3.8dB of gain, etc...

Once all of the samples were the same volume, I cut off the sine portion, set my DAW to loop the recordings, and listened to each channel individually.

That led me to a pretty clear favorite mic (a discontinued Peavey PVM mic that I've had for about 20 years).

With my preferred mic identified, I used my sine + bass loop again to try out different positions – edge of the cone, middle of the cone, cone/dustcap junction, and dead center.

Again, I gain-matched all of those.

I liked dead center the best – it seemed most “true” to how the cabinet sounds in the room.

With my preferred mic and position identified, I tried out different distances – right at the grille, 6” back, 12” back, and 24” back.

Again, I used my sine + bass loop, then gain-matched.

My preferred distance was 6” – it opened up and sounded more “real” than right on top of the grille, but then when I went to the larger distances, they started to sound a little “diluted”.

Once I'd pulled back from the cabinet a bit, it occurred to me that it had become less crucial which part of the driver I was pointing at.

That made me think: part of the reason I have always skipped putting a mic on my cabs is because they are 2-way cabs, and close-mic’ing them wouldn’t be an accurate representation. But if I like the sound best from 6” back, why not mic between the low and high frequency drivers?

So I tried that, and the recorded sound was pretty much exactly what I’m hearing in the room. I recorded the loop with each of my amp heads and cabinets. That told me which combination mics up the best, but again all of the samples sounded like what I was hearing in the room.

Comparing that mic'ed amp sound to the same loop recorded via my DI (Warm Audio passive with a CineMag transformer) was like comparing steak to vanilla ice cream.

But there were plenty of mic choices and mic positions that were vastly inferior to the DI - and I would have stopped trying if I hadn't "gone down the rabbit hole" to test out all of these different variables.
 
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I liked dead center the best – it seemed most “true” to how the cabinet sounds in the room.
This is accurate. Steve Albini discusses this at length here:

My preferred distance was 6” – it opened up and sounded more “real” than right on top of the grille, but then when I went to the larger distances, they started to sound a little “diluted”.
In the video above, Steve refers to this as the "working distance." Get closer and you increase proximity to a level based on the type of mic used, get further away and you lose some of the direct sound of the cabinet relative to the sound of the room. 6" is a reasonable placement for most rooms. Once you get to 12" or greater you really need to have a treated space to not have it sound like garage rock, which may or may not be the intention for your recording. In my studio I tend to start with the mic centered on a driver and as close to the grill as I can get it without actually touching. From there I back it up as needed. Seems like you've landed on a similar placement.

That made me think: part of the reason I have always skipped putting a mic on my cabs is because they are 2-way cabs, and close-mic’ing them wouldn’t be an accurate representation. But if I like the sound best from 6” back, why not mic between the low and high frequency drivers?
In theory this should be a less accurate representation of both drivers, but if the summed result into the microphone gets you what you want then there is no concern. All that matters is whether or not the sound captured is the desired result. It sounds like you've found something that works great for you.

But there were plenty of mic choices and mic positions that were vastly inferior to the DI
People tend to think of DIs as somehow inferior in both live and studio situations, but a good DI capture is consistently a good option that's easy to execute. If you can get the low end in phase between the DI and mic you might enjoy the cancellations that occur in the midrange and higher frequencies when using both combined. I tend to prefer one or the other these days unless I'm doing a wet/dry thing, but even if both signals are similar I'll still occasionally use the combined approach on certain projects.
 
I used to get crazy with cab mic'ing ideas. I can't recall how it all turned out.

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