Another LMKII thread?!?!

[KJung]

Cool KJung. Thats what I needed to hear. I may just go w/the Avatar 212 and get a 4ohm. That would almost certainly be loud enough, and would get me by till the New Baby is in Collage, and I can afford an Epi.

Johno!

A 4ohm 212 should be quite full and punchy. The Epi is great, don't eliminate the 1212L from consideration down the road if you are looking for small, light and loud

There are lot's of TBers very 'in the know' on the Avatar cabs. Do a search or start a 'non LMII' thread asking about opinions on the Avatar 112 and 212 that you are considering. You will get good info regarding specific models, speakers, etc.

Good luck.

 

[Johno Dunn]

Bassist, I'm way to old to let others decide for me, but I do get a lot of useful input from you guys. When the time comes, I will definetly make the drive to Joerg's and try a 1212L.

Johno!

 

[BurningSkies]

Schroeder cabs are definitely not all hype. Those who have only tried them in a 'shop setting' haven't really heard one properly. In a live band mix, on stage and with volume they do exactly what they're famed to do.

My 1212 loves my LMII...and works great with a 'full rig' setup with my Bergantino HT115 beneath it. Schroeder cabs are not subtle...but no one ever said they were. They're designed to shine in the mix and to take the bass out of the mush and into the middle of the mix.

On the other hand, I'm not a big fan of the Avatar SB112. I have one of those as well, and it makes a nice seat and drink holder on end. I find they sound very boxy and uninspired.

 

[Gintaras]

saw this on the bay... how about an Avatar 4x10

http://cgi.ebay.com/B410-AVATAR-Bas...oryZ4713QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

[kevbassman]

Johno, the Avator is what it is...a nice budget cab. I owned the 2 x 12, which sounded great @ 4 ohms. I sold it about a year ago to purchase the Epi 2 x 12, which I actually have for sale now on TB. I'm pretty much using my UL 310, and UL 210 & the Berg. I do disagree with some others....I have used the small rig, UL 210 & the Epiu UL502 on small gigs..and it easily covered the room & the guitar player.
It's really what's in your budget. Avator is a nice cab, will it compare to a Epi UL or Berg? No. Does it sound good? IMO-yes.
Are any of these cabs muddy? Hell no. For what it's worth: I play Sadowsky's. I own two Metro;s & one NY just purchased from Brian @ The Low End.

Remember in any cab you buy....there is a breaking in period for the speakers their selves. When I purchased my Epi UL310 Series II drivers, I was disappointed at first ( I owned a 310 Epi, but not the light weight models...and that sounded kick ass). After a few months, I wouldn't trade my new Epi UL 310 fpor anything.
Remember, that's my opinion. One man's food can be another man's poison.

I do think the one area where the LMII might be alittle weak, is in the Direct Out. Our band does allot of shows with sound companies. I never had one soundman or soundwoman complain about the Epi Direct Out or the sound of the Epi rig. Now I must admit, I have only used the LMII on a smaller show, where we did our own sound.

I'm actually alittle scared to try the LMII on a big show...for the simple fact.....my Epi has never failed in in over two years......the old..if it's not broke don't fix it.

I think you have had allot of good advice on this thread.

Follow your heart..and your instinct......you'll be fine.
Oh yeah, follow the pocketbook too! LOL

 

[KJung]

Johno, the Avator is what it is...a nice budget cab. I owned the 2 x 12, which sounded great @ 4 ohms. I sold it about a year ago to purchase the Epi 2 x 12, which I actually have for sale now on TB. I'm pretty much using my UL 310, and UL 210 & the Berg. I do disagree with some others....I have used the small rig, UL 210 & the Epiu UL502 on small gigs..and it easily covered the room & the guitar player.
It's really what's in your budget. Avator is a nice cab, will it compare to a Epi UL or Berg? No. Does it sound good? IMO-yes.
Are any of these cabs muddy? Hell no. For what it's worth: I play Sadowsky's. I own two Metro;s & one NY just purchased from Brian @ The Low End.

Remember in any cab you buy....there is a breaking in period for the speakers their selves. When I purchased my Epi UL310 Series II drivers, I was disappointed at first ( I owned a 310 Epi, but not the light weight models...and that sounded kick ass). After a few months, I wouldn't trade my new Epi UL 310 fpor anything.
Remember, that's my opinion. One man's food can be another man's poison.

I do think the one area where the LMII might be alittle weak, is in the Direct Out. Our band does allot of shows with sound companies. I never had one soundman or soundwoman complain about the Epi Direct Out or the sound of the Epi rig. Now I must admit, I have only used the LMII on a smaller show, where we did our own sound.

I'm actually alittle scared to try the LMII on a big show...for the simple fact.....my Epi has never failed in in over two years......the old..if it's not broke don't fix it.

I think you have had allot of good advice on this thread.

Follow your heart..and your instinct......you'll be fine.
Oh yeah, follow the pocketbook too! LOL

A little off topic, but remember that the LMII has the DI set post EQ as the factory default. That's typically not good for a live feed to a front of house system. It's very easy to change to pre EQ, which should make the LMII DI sound virtually identical to your Epi.

Just FYI.

K

 

[kevbassman]

Thank you sir. I would imagine a tech would need to do that?

How would you compare the Thunderfunk 550-B to the LMII? Sorry to put you on the spot, but I would love to hear other opinions.

Thanks!

Kev

 

[KJung]

Thank you sir. I would imagine a tech would need to do that?

How would you compare the Thunderfunk 550-B to the LMII? Sorry to put you on the spot, but I would love to hear other opinions.

Thanks!

Kev

Actually, it's very easy to do. All you need to do is take off the top and move a jumper by hand. I'm clueless about electronics, and I could even do it. There is a PDF that clearly shows how to do it. It's posted somewhere. If you can't find it, PM your email address to me, and I'll send the file to you.

A number of us have done the 550b comparison if you do a search. Both are great, similar volume, quite different tone.

 

[Johnny Atomic]

Actually, it's very easy to do. All you need to do is take off the top and move a jumper by hand. I'm clueless about electronics, and I could even do it. There is a PDF that clearly shows how to do it. It's posted somewhere. If you can't find it, PM your email address to me, and I'll send the file to you.

A number of us have done the 550b comparison if you do a search. Both are great, similar volume, quite different tone.

I'd love to see the PDF, is this similar to the way you change the fx loop from paralell to series ( i haven't done this yet but plan to).

Johnny

 

[KJung]

I'd love to see the PDF, is this similar to the way you change the fx loop from paralell to series ( i haven't done this yet but plan to).

Johnny

Yes. PM sent.

 

[eldoctorbass]

I probably (ok, definitely) should have done some searching here and read up on the LMKII before I gigged for the first time with it last night, but I paired it with the only cab I had access to: an Eden 112 @ 8 ohm (200w). Four bands played: all four had issues at some point with the head dying (for lack of a better term) mid-song. We finally figured that if you shut it off for a few seconds it would come back to life, but that was a serious drag during a well-attended show. From what I've read this morning, seems like the head went into self-protection mode and shut itself off rather than it being broken (correct me if I'm wrong here). So, my question is: if I get another 8 ohm cab to pair it with the 112, will there be less of a chance this will happen? Or should I just get a higher rated 4 ohm cab? Or, maybe I really do have a dud? Any advice would be appreciated.

 

[KJung]

I probably (ok, definitely) should have done some searching here and read up on the LMKII before I gigged for the first time with it last night, but I paired it with the only cab I had access to: an Eden 112 @ 8 ohm (200w). Four bands played: all four had issues at some point with the head dying (for lack of a better term) mid-song. We finally figured that if you shut it off for a few seconds it would come back to life, but that was a serious drag during a well-attended show. From what I've read this morning, seems like the head went into self-protection mode and shut itself off rather than it being broken (correct me if I'm wrong here). So, my question is: if I get another 8 ohm cab to pair it with the 112, will there be less of a chance this will happen? Or should I just get a higher rated 4 ohm cab? Or, maybe I really do have a dud? Any advice would be appreciated.

Seems like something is very wrong. I would get a new one. I assume you just bought this new. Return it (you have 60 days) and get a new one.

That being said, you are massively underutilizing the wonderful power and great tone of the LMII by cranking it up through a small 112 (especially that particular 112) IMO.

 

[eldoctorbass]

Bought from a fellow TBer. I need to check in with him, but wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. I know the 112 I have is not the *best* choice by far for this head, but sometimes you gig with what you've got.

 

[KJung]

Bought from a fellow TBer. I need to check in with him, but wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. I know the 112 I have is not the *best* choice by far for this head, but sometimes you gig with what you've got.

+1.... something definitely not right here. The good news is, the two year warranty is transferable, so you should have no problems if you decide to keep it. Given the huge numbers of these out there, they seem quite reliable and well made. However, no line of gear is 100% perfect, and there seems to be a problem with yours.

 

[eldoctorbass]

+1.... something definitely not right here. The good news is, the two year warranty is transferable, so you should have no problems if you decide to keep it. Given the huge numbers of these out there, they seem quite reliable and well made. However, no line of gear is 100% perfect, and there seems to be a problem with yours.

I'd love to keep it - everyone thought the head sounded great when it was working. Unfortunately, I bought it from a TBer who bought it from someone else, so I don't think the warranty card came with it.

I did play a gig last night with a different head through the same cab with no issues, so that's not the problem. Frustrating.

 

[::::BASSIST::::]

It was probably damaged in shipping. Was it well packed?

I recently shipped an AI Focus to Australia. Packed well... incased in 3" of foam. Arrived broken.... what a bummer.

Best bet is try to get the original receipt and bring it in... see what happens.

 

[eldoctorbass]

The head was very well-packed, no complaints there. And when it worked, it worked fine. I guess moral of the story is to try your equipment first in rehearsal at the volume/duration you'll be playing it live.

 

[tombowlus]

You won't get blasted by me. Not a fan of the Schroeder line - lots are though, so to each his own. Love Bergs, Love Epis, Love my LDS.

+1 What he said.

With the added caveat that Don up at LDS and also Marc Serio at Dr. Bass do a great job of delivering well made, high quality enclosures at a very reasonable price, and if I were looking to buy a new cab on a reasonable budget, I'd hit the two of them, first. On the used market, older Trace Elliot cabs seem to be a great bang for the buck, IMHO.

Edit: I will add that for $350, the Carvin LS1503 (a 3-way PA cab) is actually a really killer bass enclosure. Of course, it is an 8 ohm cab, and the LMII puts its optimal output into a 4 ohm load.

Tom.