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Any recommendations for a 4 Ohm 12" speaker please?

Can anyone recommend a 4 ohm 12" speaker please? I'd like to find a new driver for my 12" ported cab and would really like to find a 4 Ohm version for a little more volume. I've been doing my research, but it seems like almost all 12" speakers are 8 Ohm. I guess I could go for a 15", but then I'd have to buy a new cab as well.

Or.....is it not worth worrying about a 4ohm after all (I know, that's a whole other thread!)?

BTW this is for a single-driver (no tweeter) application.

Any advice appreciated, many thanks!! :bassist:
 
Often there's a small sensitivity penalty when using a 4 ohm version of a driver, both small signal as well as large signal modeling.

Because of this, the gain by going to a 4 ohm version is often somewhat less than expected and ultimately there is little volume difference between the two versions.
 
Most drivers are limited in how loud they go by their maximum excursion, xmax, so a lower impedance driver may not go any louder. It may not even go as loud. The only way to know for sure is with loudspeaker modeling software, which can tell you how different drivers compare in any given cabinet. Software modeling is the first step in choosing a replacement driver.
 
Epifani's D.I.S.T. series work at both 4 or 8 ohms, but I suspect that there's more to it than just dual voice coils. I even have a custom 2-12 which works at either resistance that they make upon request. Here's their link: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

I further suspect that guys like @agedhorse will advise that there's more to it than just sticking the same inch speaker in a box, but that's way above my pay grade.

Good luck.
 
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You can get 4 Ohm 12"s from Eminence, but you need to custom order them. I bought 4 Basslite S2012s in 4 Ohm to retrofit an Ampeg V4 4x12 cab to make it a total 4 Ohm cab (series/parallel). It's my favorite sounding cab.
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A Deltalite in 4 Ohm might be a good option for a single 12. That said, with only 1 speaker, the 4 Ohm impedance would be pretty limiting. An 8 Ohm 1x12 would offer some flexibility to add another 8 Ohm 1x12 later.

Also, as other have said, making sure that the speaker you choose will perform well in that cabinet can only really be borne out via software modeling, or discussion with someone who can do it. Anthony at Eminence has been very helpful to many here in helping choose a good replacement speaker for many different cabs. It's worth a 15-20 min conversation to see if he/they can guide you in the right direction.

Good luck!
 
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It was ancient and eventually the voice coil seized up completely!


The cab needs to be tuned to the drivers T/S parameters. If you just throw a random driver in, that is not a good match to the cab, you are just wasting your money.

IMHO, if you want to keep the cab, your best bet is probably to either recone or buy a proper replacement driver. It may be possible to find a suitable sub that performs better than the original driver with some minor cabinet mods, but that requires modeling the cabs performance with various drivers until you find one that will work. Minor mods would include changing the length of the cab's tuned ports, so they are optimal for the new driver. Sometimes reconfiguring the ports is not an easy task.

Good luck!
 
The difference in volume between an 8Ω driver and a otherwise identical 4Ω version will be barely noticeable. With the 8Ω driver you will be able to add a second 8Ω box down the road. With most amps 4Ω will be all she wrote.
This is very true and something I wish I had done. We play at a small brewpub most Friday nights and I bought an Eden EX-112 specifically to be used there. I bought it in 4 ohm since I figured I would only ever have the one. After I got it, I liked it so much I had to order another one. Now I have two 4 ohm 112's.

Here's a shot of the one cab with my class D amp at the brewpub. I bought an Eden TN226 class D to drive the one EX-112. I put it up on a chair just to get it closer to my ears and give me storage space underneath. Amp weighs all of 4.7-lbs.:

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Since my lighter weight amps won't handle a 2 ohm load, I have to use my big amp (WT500/800) to use both of them at once. It's a dual power block amp and I plug one into each of the two power channels. Both sides of the amp will handle a 4 ohm load and put out 400-watts into 4 ohms. So I can use them safely and it can get plenty loud.

If I had purchased them as 8 ohm cabs, I could drive both 112's with my class D amp or even my 400-watt back up amp (Eden Nemesis RS400). Instead of using my class D amp or my 19-lb. RS400, I have to use my 36-lb WT500/800 in its rack.

My 112's have a small footprint because they use a whizzer cone (cone within a cone) instead of a tweeter horn and my big amp hangs over the edge of them even when I stack them on their sides. Looks weird but sounds great!

And here's a shot of my T-shaped stack of two 112's using my big amp at a gig. In spite of the weird shape, this stack sounds absolutely great and is more than enough for most venues! I still pull out my DNS-410 for the larger of the medium-sized venues, large venues, outdoor venues, and festivals.

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Current street price on the EX112's is $269. However, they are discontinued so once they sell out, they're gone.
 
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B&C drivers are some of the best in the market. They do offer 4 ohm versions

Note (as I mentioned earlier) that there is between a .5 and 1dB sensitivity penalty for using the 4 ohm version versus the 8 ohm version. There is also a 1dB penalty for using the higher power version.

Between those 2 parameters, there may be no practical SPL gain going to the higher power 4 ohm version compared with the 8 ohm lower powered version, especially with a lower powered amp.
 
Note (as I mentioned earlier) that there is between a .5 and 1dB sensitivity penalty for using the 4 ohm version versus the 8 ohm version. There is also a 1dB penalty for using the higher power version.

Between those 2 parameters, there may be no practical SPL gain going to the higher power 4 ohm version compared with the 8 ohm lower powered version, especially with a lower powered amp.

Oh. I wouldn't use a single 4 ohm driver in a cabinet, but I was only answering the question that B&C does make them. A single 4 ohm cabinet is not anything I'd want period, because it limits its use with other cabinets.

But B&C does make some, and they are pretty efficient as far as SPL ratings.
 
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