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Anyone NOT like the SVT?

#182
JimmyM said:
which classic svt stack? the svt/810e stack? the svt/2 410he stack? the svt/410hlf stack? the svt/610hlf stack? the svt/215 stack? the svt/412 stack?
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Well, I don't want to put words into the OP's mouth, but I took it to mean the SVT 810 stack, but I could be wrong. I don't think I 've ever heard anybody refer to an SVT head on top of a 215 cab , the " classic " SVT stack, have you ?
 
#183
ledyard said:
IMO its the epitomy of mids. But again, its how you percieve it.
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I have seen a plot of the output of a 70s SVT with the EQ set straight up. Low switch off, mids I think in the middle position, and high switch off. There is no two ways about it, there is a big midrange hump in the output. Of course that can be eq'd out. Using the eq. Sounds like a few people are not aware it comes with eq. :D

While it may not be for everyone and I can definitely see how plenty of folks don't like them, the SVT ain't no one trick pony. The primary thing I don't care for on mine is when I run out of clean headroom and I want the sound to remain clean. It happens.
 
#185
lowend1 said:
GK through a Hartke has only one sound: That of somebody beating a cast iron pipe with a monkey wrench.
What?
I'm just sayin'...
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WOW!!!!!
ZING!!!!!!!!!!!!

JimmyM said:
again, for the millionth time, i couldn't give a rat's ass if anyone likes it or not. there are plenty of great amps on the market and not every amp speaks to everyone. what i don't like is the preposterous proposition that you can only get one sound out of it, and the even more preposterous proposition that ANY amp on the market is only good for one type of music. ampeg, swr, genz benz, gk, carvin...doesn't matter what it is...if you can only get one sound out of an amp or can't play certain styles of music with a certain amp, i blame you and not the amp.

and i love you too mike...i just think the idea that there are amps that are only good for a certain style of music is wack.
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IME Jimmy, it just wasn't my thing, but I pretty much am in the camp of for rock, it's the amp to kinda have.

I'm not saying it can't do more, it just does have a "voice" that is undeniably it's own. For better or worse for some.
And to say it can be as versatile as any other amp, well, it does't have that under the hood as some others.
And it shouldn't because then it wouldn't have the charm that it does.


JimmyM said:
i'ev never had a single solitary problem getting too much mid response out of an svt or any ampeg, and i hate mid-shy amps.
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I agree here.
 
#187
JimmyM said:
ok mike, what specifically is not under the hood of an svt? what specifically can't it do?
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What ever Jimmy.
Wanna play this game, go ahead.

SVT's are NOT flexible tone shaping amps. If you think they are, well, try using one from everything from Smooth Jazz to Country.
I have and it's flat out fails more so than a lot of other amps I've played in the flexibility dept. :rollno:
Well, on the country gigs it worked OK.

Sorry, versatile and SVT are rarely uttered in the same sentence.

Done.
 
#188
MikeBass said:
What ever Jimmy.
Wanna play this game, go ahead.
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so i'm not allowed to whatever you, but you're allowed to whatever me?

SVT's are NOT flexible tone shaping amps. If you think they are, well, try using one from everything from Smooth Jazz to Country.
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i have and i still do. works great every single time. isn't a gig on earth i wouldn't do with an svt, with the exception of gigs where it's just inappropriately big to bring an svt and 810. fortunately, for those gigs i have a b-15n or a micro vr stack.

I have and it's flat out fails more so than a lot of other amps I've played in the flexibility dept. :rollno:
Well, on the country gigs it worked OK.
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it failed for you. it worked great for me.

Sorry, versatile and SVT are rarely uttered in the same sentence.
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just because you keep saying it over and over doesn't make it the truth, especially when you offer zero proof other than "i didn't like it." i would blame you way sooner than i'd blame the amp. this business about "rock amps" and "smooth jazz amps" and "country amps" is the dumbest thing i've ever heard of. if you can't get a good and appropriate sound out of any amp, it's your fault, not the amp's. period.
 
#189
JimmyM said:
so i'm not allowed to whatever you, but you're allowed to whatever me?


i have and i still do. works great every single time. isn't a gig on earth i wouldn't do with an svt, with the exception of gigs where it's just inappropriately big to bring an svt and 810. fortunately, for those gigs i have a b-15n or a micro vr stack.


it failed for you. it worked great for me.


just because you keep saying it over and over doesn't make it the truth, especially when you offer zero proof other than "i didn't like it." i would blame you way sooner than i'd blame the amp. this business about "rock amps" and "smooth jazz amps" and "country amps" is the dumbest thing i've ever heard of. if you can't get a good and appropriate sound out of any amp, it's your fault, not the amp's. period.
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Hmm....I never utter the word amp for rock, amp for country amp for smooth Jazz.
You did.

I did say if I had a rock gig I would use one because I feel they excel there.

And I get a great sound thank you. Just not one I like from and SVT.

And no, they're not known for toneshaping flexability....
 
#190
MikeBass said:
And no, they're not known for toneshaping flexability....
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mike, i say this with all the respect i can muster for you...and ordinarily i have a lot...but that is the dopiest thing i ever heard anyone say about the svt. in what universe does an amp with separate bass, treble, midrange with a 3 or 5-position mid selector, hi boost switch, and low boost/cut switch not have toneshaping flexibility?
 
#192
JimmyM said:
mike, i say this with all the respect i can muster for you...and ordinarily i have a lot...but that is the dopiest thing i ever heard anyone say about the svt. in what universe does an amp with separate bass, treble, midrange with a 3 or 5-position mid selector, hi boost switch, and low boost/cut switch not have toneshaping flexibility?
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Don't forget there are two independent preamps. You're only describing one of them.
 
#193
Kindness said:
Don't forget there are two independent preamps. You're only describing one of them.
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:D tru dat, but not all of them have two pres.

i'll be the first to admit that the svt isn't for everyone. but to think they're not known for toneshaping abilities when they have as many toneshaping tools as most amps on the market is just insane.
 
#194
When this thread first started I thought it would get either ugly or stupid real fast.
It didn't; it took a while to become so; good luck to you all on this debate.
 
#196
JimmyM said:
mike, i say this with all the respect i can muster for you...and ordinarily i have a lot...but that is the dopiest thing i ever heard anyone say about the svt. in what universe does an amp with separate bass, treble, midrange with a 3 or 5-position mid selector, hi boost switch, and low boost/cut switch not have toneshaping flexibility?
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Not to mention the 9-Band graphic EQ on the 2 Pro.
 
#198
i tested the Svt 4pro at GC and i played with it for an hour. i thought for the price there was much better options. i thought for the price the sad was good but not great and i thought it lacked features.. The salesmen told me the SVT's are as good as they used to be (his words not mine)
 
#199
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#200
Is there a diagram or something of the frequency sweep available from an SVT pre?

SVT has more tone shaping that most tube preamps, because most tube preamps are based on the 3 band Fender pre (plus high and low switches often), which sounds very musical, but as a tone shaping tool, pretty much sucks. Check out the tone stack calculator for the Fender sweep, and compare to the 2 band James/Bandaxall (which I think the SVT is based on, with extra bits): http://www.duncanamps.com/tsc/download.html

But three band more knobs, so more shaping right?

Now, if there isn't an SVT sound, why bother with an SVT?
 

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