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are boutique basses really worth the $$$ ?

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oldfclefer said:
Okay,
I've seen lots of threads about Wish, Dingwall, and some others.
I love the look of Alembics.

A boutique bass is, at least on this forum, somewhat of a holy grail.

Problem is:
My heroes all play off the rack instruments.

You know,

Fender
Gibson
Dane Electro
Rickenbacker
Hofner
etc.

I go to the music store and try to buy what McCartney played on his last video.

Now I keep hearing all this talk about these boutique custom made basses.

I could buy 5 Rickenbacker 4003s for the price of a new Alembic.

3 Gibsons for the price of a Dingwall.

I can make music with an Epiphone just as I can with a Fodera.

So tell me tb crew, what makes the boutique basses worth so much more than the instruments my heroes got rich and famous playing?

I own four Fenders, three Gibsons, two Rickenbacker 4001s, a Bongo, a pre-Ernie Stingray, a Pedulla MVP, a Peavey, and 5 Alembics. What makes the Alembics and the Pedulla worth more (moneywise, at least)?

First thing would have to be the construction and attention to detail in my experience. Simply put, Alembic (and other "boutique" buliders such as Fodera, Sadowsky, MTD, etc.) pay a lot more attention to the smallest detail than a "mass produced" instrument. Every Alembic I've got has a flawless fit and finish. I mean perfect. There are no crooked bridges, bad solder joints, broken jacks, scratchy pots, etc. All of their hardware is solid brass, and extremely finely machined. The nuts are adjustable, and the woods used are of the finest caliber from what I can tell. All the screws used screw into a metal sleeve inserted into the wood as opposed to wood screws. The control cavity is sprayed with silver to virtually eliminate RF interference. Fodera, MTD, et. al. do a lot of the same things from what I understand, and their prices reflect this attention to detail and quality.

In the case of Alembic, you can literally get a bass made to your exact specifications. If, for example, you like the Alembic sound but don't necessarily like the body shape, just tell them what you want and they will build it. I've seen a guy who liked the Gibson Thunderbird shape have Alembic make him one with that shape, but with Alembic electronics, quality, etc. I'm personally having a custom Series II made at the moment that will be a very close replica of John Entwistle's famous Exploiter models. Another guy I know wanted his neck to be like his beloved Rickenbacker - he sent the dimensions to Alembic and they reproduced it exactly. I've never dealt with the Fender or Gibson custom shops, so I don't know if they do this or not. I do know that Alembic does, and if you can afford it, they will build it just as you like and want it.

The electronics, while not everyone's cup of tea, are unique where Alembics are concerned. They use low pass filters for the most part - think of it as a wah wah pedal on your bass. They take some getting used to, but once you do you can coax sounds out of them that you just can't out of others using the electronics in and of themselves. Their components are of the highest quality as well - they use switchboard jacks for the inputs, and the pots, circuit boards, connectors, etc. are of the highest quality. Additionally, the electronics are modular - they use gold connectors, and if there is ever a problem, all you have to do is switch it out, no soldering required.

My Pedulla has some of the same qualities in the sense that it uses great woods, fine electronics components, attention to detail, etc.

On the other hand, my other basses didn't cost as much, and aren't as versatile in a lot of ways as are the Alembics. They don't use the highest quality components and parts, and are a bit "rougher" so to speak. However, that doesn't make them any less enjoyable to play. I love all of them for different reasons, and when the situation dictates, I use them.

Bottom line is any bass is only worth what you are willing to pay for it. And you don't have to have a "boutique" bass to make good music. I used (and still use) off the shelf stuff for years to play on, and they work just fine. The boutique stuff, I think, is like a dream for most (they were and still are for me), the ultimate acquisition so to speak. They won't necessarily make you a better player in and of themselves, but I do believe they might inspire you to become one.

My two cents,

Alan
 
Ya Know, I've been playing music for 30 yrs now. Most of that time I was broke. I was a single parent barley making it for 19 of them. I've played no name japanese instruments. One's w/ warped necks and broken truss rods, no name amps. Cabs I made at Radio shack and hooked up to combos. I played my fist gig at 15 with a rented amp. I felt lucky to get a Mexican Fender and played that for 10 years on a little combo.
Now I'm grown up. Made some money in Real Estate, and I'll buy what I darn well please Thank You. In my eyes, I've paid my dues and I don't care who can out play me. I do fine and am working to get better.
So if your bitter about what I have, get over it.
 
Don't forget not every Fender jazz from the same year plays the same - I bet the gods went through basses like dream about; searching and landing on the right bass through years of exploring - it's all wood, the right metal and the right skin. Having said that while I have a few boutiques but a Peavey $300 lays down the low end for good rock as good as any of them - however I could never 2-hand tap on it - it just cannot be set up that way.
 
oldfclefer said:
Okay,
I've seen lots of threads about Wish, Dingwall, and some others.
I love the look of Alembics.

A boutique bass is, at least on this forum, somewhat of a holy grail.

Problem is:
My heroes all play off the rack instruments.

You know,

Fender
Gibson
Dane Electro
Rickenbacker
Hofner
etc.

I go to the music store and try to buy what McCartney played on his last video.

Now I keep hearing all this talk about these boutique custom made basses.

I could buy 5 Rickenbacker 4003s for the price of a new Alembic.

3 Gibsons for the price of a Dingwall.

I can make music with an Epiphone just as I can with a Fodera.

So tell me tb crew, what makes the boutique basses worth so much more than the instruments my heroes got rich and famous playing?

Having worked in the business for fifteen years it is my experience that pro players in well known bands, and lots of named players are on deals from manufacturers than supply them with custon instruments to use on stage and in photo sessions. They often have many of their own personal basses that are never used on stage.

I guess as a previous reply stated - it is a free world and if you have the money and prefer a custom built bass, then why not.

I do have to say however that I enjoyed my days when I beagn playing of bashing on a £30 s/h catalogue bass until I could afford my first proper bass.:smug:
 
...on my Ibanez Ergodyne...to the point where it's really not even the same guitar. I think that, and it's my humble opinion, there's almost nothing you can't find off the rack that sounds amazing. Boutique basses fit in with all that snobbery, which, to me, goes against what being a bass player is all about.

At any rate, I am of the belief that you could put some great pickups on a 2x4 or a broom stick, and slap some nice DR's on there and it would sound wicked.
 
MikeLindgren said:
Boutique basses fit in with all that snobbery, which, to me, goes against what being a bass player is all about.

Being a bass player is about playing bass. It has nothing to do with 'snobbery' or 'not-snobbery'. It's about playing notes in a certain tonal range, usually in synch with other musicians.

There's as much snobbery by people who are in the '4 bangers foreva' crowd as the boooteek crowd. People are people no matter what they play, and they're going to have different attitudes about pretty much everything and bass players are no exception.

You're proving it by making comments about people who play boutique basses.
 
Wow, what a touchy subject :eek:

I'm 54 years old and have been playing since I was 10 & getting paid for playing since I was 12. I've made a lot of money playing the bass, and I've also gone broke playing the bass.

Through hard work and the good graces of God I am fortunate enough to be able to own some higher end basses. I currently have two "boutique" basses (5 & 6 string FBB's), a 1986 MIJ Fender, a 1968 Goya fretless J-bass knock-off (that I repaired and modded myself) and a Brice HXB406. I also have a new 7 string custom bass in progress with FBB that I'll probably take delivery of sometime in late June or so.

I play all of these basses, high and low end, old and new, with the same degree of love and passion. I am a pretty good bassist, not great, but pretty darn good. Anyone that wants to hear my playing needs only to contact me and I'll gladly send them some samples (or they can try the link in my sig that sometimes works and sometimes doesn't).

The basses I play and what I choose to purchase and own is absolutely of no concern to anyone but me. I choose to play FBB's because they are my bass of choice. I've ordered a new custom bass from FBB because I like what the cat does and he's an excellent craftsman. If my choice of basses offends someone, too bad.
 
I think that a few people have hit the proverbial nail right on the head - on both sides of the Atlantic we live in supposedly free societies where our freedoms are gradually being eroded away.
What still remains is the freedom to play whatever instrument I like when I like and however I like.
Nobody made me buy what I own, and my 'sound' that I hear in my head is the sound produced by my current set-up.
 
The way I see it is if you can pick up an off the peg bass that sounds right to you, plays like you want it to play, looks good in your eyes and you can afford it, buy it. But if you can't find that 'special' instrument, then you need to go the extra mile into boutique land.

I have played some mexican fenders which are really quite nice, although the majority of them have either been too heavy or full of dead spots for my liking. Makers like Sadowsky, who on the face of it just make exclusive 'copies' of these basses do look expensive. But these companies select/buy certain timbres and have crafted their techniques and quality control to achieve a consistently high standard. This is much of what you are paying for. Lastly, you got the feel good factor of playing a more exclusive instrument, be it a Sadowsky, an Alembic or a pre CBS Fender, which, although many people deny it, is a big buzz for most of us.
 
SMASH said:
Play what you all want to play, of course, but when people suggest all custom/expensive/"boutique" basses are all better or even proportionately better comensurate with their greater pricing only suggests you've not been around much. IMO.

Every pro I've ever asked has said the same thing, and I've asked a lot of 'em because you can rest assured I wanted to find any shortcut I could take with a simple lumpsum outlay to play/sound better but I've found it doesn't exist.

I don't really know what qualifications it takes to be a moderator here on TB but I would guess some restraint and the ablity to see the other guys point view and the maturity to stay away from personal attacks would key to having that title. The moderator should enforce this tone in all forums. Take a look at your posts before you hit send and as a moderator, if you have not adhered to these standards, then don't hit the post button. If you feel that you must express this venom then perhaps moderator is not the right position for you. IMO
 
I would just like to add that I think the high end instruments are worth it. I own a hotwire jazz bass and if I think about how much time I have spent with that instrument every cent went to a good place.

However, I think that a lot of high end builders are starting to loose sight of what is important. I wont say any names but I believe some of the builders are focused to much on looks and not enough on electronics and playability. I still think that the majority of high end basses are very very worth the money but make sure the builder you buy from has his/her priorities in the right spot.

Have a great day everyone.
 
I like how a question that has no absolute, objective answer can launch the spewing of copious vitriol. That's what I love about Talkbass, it's just like a family.:hmm:

Can a 30,000 dollar bass worth it? Ask a 17 year old grocery bagger and a lawyer pulling 7+ figures. You will get different answers, and NEITHER ONE IS WRONG. Most of the questions EVER asked here cannot be answered with one ultimate answer.

Pretend everything you read here has the prefix "I think that - " and the suffix "-for my tastes, but that is just my opinion."

OK lets fight some more!
 
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