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Are we ever satisfied with our tone?

Ever happy? I am happy right now. Either the 4003s, Jazz, or LB70 plugged direct into the Mesa D-800 powering 2 Epifany UL2 1x15.
Couldn't be happier.

Of course those cabs are getting old, so Subway cabs may be in the future. This has nothing to do with a tone search.
 
I have this idea in my head that the solution to all my (self-imposed) problems is bi-amping. But just thinking about doing it makes me tired. Besides, I don't really have any problems with tone, I just do whatever the sound person tells me to do. :D
 
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I like what @JRA said, to which I will add that, for me, it's not so much tone in and of itself I look for, but an instrument/amp combination that responds to my playing.

Over the years Ive learned that this is as much about setup as anything else - an instrument set such that it responds in a predictable manner is, subject to the underlying voicing (which is where pickups, strings, preamp and cabinet matter) being generally compatible, is far more important to me than the minutiae of tone or timbre. I've worked out that some voicings are more compatible than others, which guides my instrument choices, but the last mile is, IMHO and IME, in the setup and fingers. YMMV.
 
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I've been chasing this for a while. I think I fall into the never satisfied category....

I have settled in on the Ampeg, "baked in" passive PJ tone as a benchmark. I find that judicious tweaking of the bass freq, (even to the point of cutting bass a little), Treble at noon and + on the mids a litttle with mid sweep to change the centerpoint of the mids according to what the room "needs" is my key. Also, (slightly OT) I have found an outside the box use for compression. I recently acquired a Keeley Comp+ and was almost not happy with it because I really felt that it sucked all the life out of the low end. When I got it, I was thinking in terms of an always on type thing, but have found that it's really cool for reigning in tone. So, the surprise I got is that I leave it off most of the time, but kick it on for quieter, shadow of the full fledged tone, with a little extra sustain kinda stuff.

Hope this helps!!
 
Isn't this tone thing an endless cycle? Personally, I keep seeking tone nirvana and I'm not sure if there's ever an end to it, and I don't think I'm alone. There are some nights that what I hear is nearly, 'kind of pretty close' to what's in my head, but more times than not, the room doesn't cooperate. There is ONE place I've played where I live that actually makes my bass sound ALMOST exactly what I want it to sound but still, I feel there's something missing. I can't even describe what's missing most of the time, but that's what makes this endless 'holy grail tone' thing an endless search. Couple that with all these descriptions of tone bass players tend to use, such as 'grunt' 'punch', 'tight', 'tubey', etc. and I go into a tailspin trying to figure out what gadget, amp, cab, string, is going to get me "closer".

I also feel that, of all instruments in a typical cover band, the bass is the hardest to get a good tone from, only slightly rivaled by getting a good kick tone, but bass is definitely harder.
I might be saying this because I'm not a guitar player, but in my mind they can easily get a pretty decent tone with most any well-repected amp-speaker setup.
I wish I had the chance to take 3 amps and/or 3 cabs to a gig to compare through the night.
It's frustrating because music stores typically have very few brands/models to choose from in stock and even if you try them out in a store, that's nowhere near how they'll sound on a gig.
Now I see why so many people are trading in the classifieds. Youtube videos don't seem to help, either.
Guess I'm going to exercise the 'if you don't like it, send it back' option some online retailers offer. I never have done this because I feel like if I try something and send it back, it's typically USED, right? And the retailer takes a hit, right or wrong?

Maybe this search for tone is part of the journey, and I should just enjoy the trip rather than find the destination.

My first thought is no, but let me add that, there is so much more to bass amps compared to the earlier days of bass amps like stuff from the 60 and early 70's you were lucking if you even knew what "Mid range" was. Generally you were dealt the winning hand of Bass and Treble as your tone choice and with that you were able to get a acceptable tone that pretty much fit whatever music you were playing. But as the years progress and more is better concept reared it's ugly head many things were added for your tweaking pleasure, but with this came the learning curve and the wow factor of discovering even a subtle tweak could make or break your tone in the mix. I think this is the reason so many bass players at some point during this quest for " my tone" end up setting their amps flat, which seemingly takes you back in history to when you had an amp that could step into the sonic space of many types of music without landing in another's space. Good luck on your never ending quest we have all taken for years. And in ending let me add if you do find the Holy grail "my tone" remember in a band situation there is a very high probability in won't fit the mix or it will disappear at the first guitar chord :( RTS
 
Bass will sound one way by itself, and completely different in a mix without changing a thing. Boomy in one room and buried in another. Honestly, your favorite bedroom tone probably sounds like garbage in a live mix.

I totally agree with this. I think getting to know your gear intimately, in many settings is key. This is why the main purpose of EQ controls on an amp should be to adjust to the room on a nightly basis, not to set the basic tone you like, imo.
 
I totally agree with this. I think getting to know your gear intimately, in many settings is key. This is why the main purpose of EQ controls on an amp should be to adjust to the room on a nightly basis, not to set the basic tone you like, imo.

Couldn't agree more. Set the tone for the GIG (meaning the room, the band, the mix), not your personal tastes.

I love swinging a sledgehammer. It just feels good to knock the ever-loving crap out of something. When I get ready to hang a picture of my daughter in a dance tutu on the wall, I will grab a tack hammer. The sledgehammer would feel better. I would enjoy it more. But it would make a mess of the project. The same goes for bass tone. Choose the one that fits the project, not the one that makes you feel better.
 
Agree it's complicated, adding a sound man too.

Seems as though the particulars of each stage/room are different so same settings don't really work. Rely on others like the sound guys and get an acceptable tone on stage is about the best you can hope for.

This tone thing is the summary of pups, technique, strings, attack, amps, pedals and all the environmental variables of the room/stage. Many factors
 
Im usually pretty okay with my tone. I almost always gig a Peavey T40 and the essential character of that thing is enough to usually leave me satisfied. I recently put on some nickel Lo Riders and there have been a few moments at rehearsal where i definitely reached a few moments of nirvana.
The biggest problem, to me, is that i want all of the tones, not just one :)
There are just too many awesome tones out there to be completely satisfied with just one imo
 
I think the tone quest ends when you find an amp and cab that really do it for you. A bass that feels good and I can get a good setup on will keep me pretty pleased. Both my basses are passive now which led to less knob twisting and I also gig an SVT 810. Originals rock where I'm not trying to cop some studio tone with equipment I'll never afford. I've never been happier with my sound. Everything is heavy and fills up my car but every show we have played I like the way my rig sounds better than everyone else's
 
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my main instrument is Keys ( then bass , then gtr ) ... that Holy Grail of tones is really a never ending thing for me ...

the perfect piano , Rhodes , B3 , various analog synth models/samples , horns , strings , etc ...

bass ... really depends on the music , but - warm yet clear and punchy .

gtr ... another endless tone black hole ... i have a semi-hollow Lp type w/humbucks/coil taps , Tele w/mini humbuck / coil taps / piezo bridge , Strat w/3 different kinda pups ... modeling amp plus pedals ...


all in all , i have probably spent more time on the 'tone quest' than writing/recording over the last few decades !! seemed easier when i was younger and had less gear , i just ' dealt with it ' .. !