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Ashbory bass tuners

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I recently picked up an Ashbory silicone-stringed bass. Unfortunately , the G tuner did not rotate (frozen) , the D bound up a bit . The A and E worked acceptably, but of course there's no way to play it now.
Looking at the tuners (photos below) it's clear the problems are a binding issue, caused by differences in string post height over the headstock, which creates the largest part of the binding. The second problem is binding of the worm gears , held against the tuning-post gear by the stamping which holds the tuner to the headstock . Seems like excessive sideways force on tuning keys was used in an attempt to overcome the binding of the tuner posts. I have a hard time believing this has worked in , like, forever. It needs a new set of tuners. Looking for suggestions , the Ashbory thread offered nice starting points but I've hit a dead end. Maybe Someone has seen tuners like this : a 5/16" hole (more or less, not very round) in a 9/16" thick headstock . The big string posts have a female thread, maybe 5mm and the post has the mating male thread.
Seller has offered a refund for parts needed.
Searches on Ebay, Reverb and Amaz*n on "Ashbory tuning machines" have come up empty . Still waiting for Fender to get back on availability of parts . How do I find the last bag of Fender Ashbory tuners , or who can ID them as actually from something else ? Or some other clever solution ?
Here's the problem :
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Note the bottom of the string posts at the headstock. G on top, E on bottom. The E turns, the G doesn't, because of biding on the headstock. The D has so much axial runout that it's proud of the headstock surface, but once loaded, it cants to one side and binds.
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Headstock with two string posts removed. Note binding marks on G , not on A .
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Gearing of the tuners view, in case anyone thinks they know those bodies and can ID the mechanism. Maybe it's a Uke tuner or more likely a Fender part ?

One cheap fix would be to stuff something into the female thread of the G and D tuners just to keep them from bottoming out , but the gear lash and wiggliness of the tuning keys plus already hassle makes me want to put tuners in that actually work .

Anybody got any ideas ?
Thanks!
 
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If they will fit, I would suggest you upgrade and modify to the Hipshot tuners found on a Kala U-Bass. The tuner posts are modified from standard electric bass guitar tuners for the same silicone/rubber thicker strings as the Ashbory has, and comparing your pictures to my U-Bass, the folks at Hipshot may have even used the Ashbory tuner posts as the model for their tuners. There appears to be a lot of borrowed technology between the two instruments: scale length, strings, tuners, etc.
U•BASS® Parts – Kala Brand Music Co.
(scroll down the link for the tuners)
 
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That tuner needs headstock hole dia a lot bigger than these alas. I was hoping someone might be able to ID the tuner body , that probably Fender took a stock tuner with a male thread and added the big post. Next step is a careful set of measurements and an email to StewMac I guess.
Thanks for talking an interest though.
 
That tuner needs headstock hole dia a lot bigger than these alas.
For whatever it's worth, even back when the Ashborys were under the Guild name, and they (or Fender?) issued the upgraded tuners to replace the original banjo-style tuners that first came on the early Ashborys, one of the necessary steps to perform the update was to steel one's nerves, take drill in hand, and widen the holes in the Ashbory's head. :nailbiting: :laugh:

I don't see specs or measurements for Kala's tuners on their page, but if Fender doesn't cough up some parts for you, it might be worth reaching out to Kala's tech/support folks to see if they can send you a measured drawing of theirs. That way you could at least do some measuring and "what if's" on paper to see if there's any room for a similar operation. (A long shot, but who knows.)

And if you haven't checked in with this club yet, maybe someone in there will have some leads:

Ashbory (Guild/DeArmond/Fender) Club

In any case, good luck! :thumbsup:
 
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For whatever it's worth, even back when the Ashborys were under the Guild name, and they (or Fender?) issued the upgraded tuners to replace the original banjo-style tuners that first came on the early Ashborys, one of the necessary steps to perform the update was to steel one's nerves, take drill in hand, and widen the holes in the Ashbory's head. :nailbiting: :laugh:

Ashbory (Guild/DeArmond/Fender) Club

In any case, good luck! :thumbsup:

Indeed,will be the only way, and with Chinese eBay,which may have something like the tuners needed. Fender official parts source says hasn't had replacements in years, Hipshot (Kala) has confirmed the Ashbory headstock is too thick.
Got other good info from @chadds at Ashbory club but no tuner leads.

Thanks for the encouragement.
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Indeed,will be the only way, and with Chinese eBay,which may have something like the tuners needed. Fender official parts source says hasn't had replacements in years, Hipshot (Kala) has confirmed the Ashbory headstock is too thick.
Got other good info from @chadds at Ashbory club but no tuner leads.

Thanks for the encouragement.
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Ah, bummer. Sorry about that. :unsure:

On the other hand, at least you won't have to experience the cold sweat of putting a drill to your bass! :D

Hope you can find some good results somewhere, and get it working one way or another. :thumbsup:
 
Ah, bummer. Sorry about that. :unsure:

On the other hand, at least you won't have to experience the cold sweat of putting a drill to your bass! :D

Hope you can find some good results somewhere, and get it workin. :thumbsup:
Will have to drill the other tuners too but only extra 1/8 IIRC.
At least silicone strings have enough overtones , almost.
Next project will be tuning fifths . My DB teacher agrees it works as an instrument, his wife is a viola player and teacher , and since the Ashbory scale is only 2" longer than a big viola , she's promised to help figure out workable fingerings if I can figure out how to tune in fifths without snapping the g (a) string !
 
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Hi -
Tuners - ended up reworking the old ones by adding a spacer in the top of the posts, the female threads. Works OK .
No luck in finding fifths strings.
Playing : worked up my folk trio Irish and Old English (Dowland, etc) song sets. usually play with bow on DB , or on fretless (34" scale) electric. The Ashbory almost works - it has its own interesting voice , and has enough sustain below the 9th fret or so but not above. If I could find strings in fifths, might be able to re-work my parts , for times when I can't bring the DB . OTOH electric fretless is five-string, high C and it's not much bigger than the Ashbory compared with the DB.

An odd problem is the sticky strings and trying to stretch instead of shifting has made for irritating some arthritis in my left thumb. Playing with the peghead against the left collarbone alleviates that but requires more re-tooling and practice than I want to take away from daily DB time.

So it's in limbo at the moment.
Cheers