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Man, I am so grateful there are guys smarter'n me on this planet.
On a good day, that stuff nearly makes sense.
On a bad day, I might as well be reading Sumerian.

very good question.....worth answering in some detail here...

----whole bunch of crazy detailed tech jargon---

Anyway, that's my story for why I'm only including two port plugs with the TC212 cabs.
 
DukeLeJeune said:
Otto asked me a very good question via PM, and I thought it was worth answering in some detail here. He asked why I included only two port plugs when there are three ports, given that I've included as many plugs as ports on my previous Thunderchild models.

Well, there's actually more to it than me just growing cheap in my old age!

Briefly, one port open (the center port preferrably) very closely approximates a sealed box, and in fact is arguably a bit better than a sealed box.

Okay, let me put my geek hat on:

With all three ports open the tuning frequency is 46 Hz, the -3 dB point is 59 Hz, and -10 dB is 39 Hz.

With two ports open (center port plugged), the tuning frequency drops to 37Hz, the -3dB point rises to 65 Hz, and -10 dB drops to 37 Hz.

With one port open (top and bottom ports plugged), the tuning frequency drops to 27 Hz, the -3 dB point rises to 73 Hz, and -10 dB bumps up to 38 Hz.

So as we lower the tuning frequency, the -3 dB point moves up, and the slope of response curve below the -3 dB point becomes more and more gentle.

Now here's the interesting part about one port open: From 100 Hz down to 25 Hz, the curve looks exactly like a sealed box with a Qtc of .57 (which is an unusually low Qtc). The -3 dB point is a bit lower with the single port than it would have been if all ports were sealed, which shifts the curve downward a little bit relative to a true sealed box, but the shape of the curve itself from 100 Hz to 25 Hz is otherwise identical. In addition, the excursion-limited power handling is better than if the box were sealed.

One final thing we want to take into account is port airspeed. If we were expecting to put 900 watts into the fundamental, then our port area would be too small once we start plugging ports. But two things work in our favor: First, the fundamental will be seeing far less than full power; and second, as we shift the tuning frequency lower, we are shifting the frequency of maximum airflow lower, down below where the cab is going to be seeing very high power anyway. Also, if any of you decide to model the airspeed, remember that my 3" diameter ports are flared inside and out, which delays the onset of chuffing by about 2 dB. In other words, my 3" diameter flared ports theoretically start to chuff about where a 3.5" straight-sided port would.

Anyway, that's my story for why I'm only including two port plugs with the TC212 cabs.

Is there a similar line of reasoning why I received just two plugs with my TC115 compact? With two ports diagonally plugged, the tone is much better with my tube amp. Wondering what it he difference would be with three or four ports plugged. Thank you.
 
Is there a similar line of reasoning why I received just two plugs with my TC115 compact? With two ports diagonally plugged, the tone is much better with my tube amp. Wondering what it he difference would be with three or four ports plugged. Thank you.

From what I remember on the TC115, you can plug two or four, but not three (due to the asymmetry, if I remember right). The none versus two versus four should give you a similar response versus the none, one or two of the TC212.

I can see where the pretty big low end of an all tube amp would give you problems with the low end of the TC115 (which, combined with the smooth and polite top end can get to sound a bit 'bottom heavy' if you aren't careful.

I have not had the need for plugging any of the ports on my TC115 at this point, but my solid state amps are pretty well controlled down low, and have shelving bass controls with start points low enough to nicely control the low end in various rooms.
 
Is there a similar line of reasoning why I received just two plugs with my TC115 compact? With two ports diagonally plugged, the tone is much better with my tube amp. Wondering what it he difference would be with three or four ports plugged. Thank you.

Two ports plugged in the TC115 compact drops the tuning frequency to 38 Hz ballpark, and the shape of the curve parallels that of a Qtc = .55 sealed box from 100 Hz down to about 35 Hz. Plugging all four ports on the TC115 Compact would raise the F3 from 74 Hz to 104 Hz.
 
Great to meet you last night. It's always great to put a'face to the avatar'! I wouldn't want to do club gigs all the time any more, but that place was hopping! Fun night, and as we discussed, the TC115 can pretty much handle anything. The tone profile was a bit darker than usual for me with the Aguilar, but it seemed to anchor the band nicely. I dig it for what it is... Round, warm, fat!

The TC115, as you know from using yours, really is special

Hey Ken,

It was great meeting you as well. I can tell you that from the audience your sound really put down a great foundation for the band. It was deep and clear but not boomy at all. With all the people soaking up the mids and highs I'm not sure how much a brighter sound would have made it to the audience. I really dug the sound and your playing - very nice. And your AC is awesome - thanks for sharing!

My band played for a large dinner dance awards ceremony on Saturday night - a huge room with maybe 300 people. The TC115 easily carried the room and was clear and punchy with the SM 12.2. I put a TC112 on the other side of the stage as a monitor for the guitar player, and he said the sound was great. I couldn't be happier with my sound!

Bob
 
Hey Ken,

It was great meeting you as well. I can tell you that from the audience your sound really put down a great foundation for the band. It was deep and clear but not boomy at all. With all the people soaking up the mids and highs I'm not sure how much a brighter sound would have made it to the audience. I really dug the sound and your playing - very nice. And your AC is awesome - thanks for sharing!

My band played for a large dinner dance awards ceremony on Saturday night - a huge room with maybe 300 people. The TC115 easily carried the room and was clear and punchy with the SM 12.2. I put a TC112 on the other side of the stage as a monitor for the guitar player, and he said the sound was great. I couldn't be happier with my sound!

Bob

Thanks! I look forward to keeping in contact with you! I very much appreciate you coming out.

FYI, I switched to the PBass for my Saturday gig with that group(private in a large room), with a bit larger version of the band, and a nice front of house system with just a bit of front of house support. It sounded GOOD with the TC115 as backline with that P and the Aguilar... big and round and fat again! Kind of fun that there was very little overlap between the tunes called Friday in the club, and the tunes called Saturday at the private. That is a pretty impressive group of players in that band. Sure is a challenge to just come in and play that gig for me. Even the tunes I know pretty well are in different keys than I am used to. I like doing that... keeps you on your toes, even though I end up scufflin' a bit on some tunes.

K

Edit: Cool on that Max 12 providing simultaneous backline support and stage monitoring. Lots you can do with that head. Very cool!
 
I got to play the TC212 yesterday at my church and this cab sounded awesome. I feel this cab is the perfect mix of both the TC112 and TC115. It sounds just like the TC112 clear and smooth but with the deep lows of the TC115. The lows are bit punchier and more compressed than the TC115, when the center port is plug, it almost sounded like a 410 cab. This the cab is amazing. The one comment that I would have is the carry on handle, it is a little bit uncomfortable. I wish it would have the similar handle like the Bergantino cabs; it is much comfortable to carry.
 
TC212 in.

-as usual, first rate wrestling match to get the cab out of the box. Duke knows how to pack his product.

-I love the form factor; though, it's a tad bit of an awkward carry. It can be one-handed, and I do have a cart. So; there.

-Came with two port plugs in. It sounds way better with them out.

More later; neat stuff.
 

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-as usual, first rate wrestling match to get the cab out of the box. Duke knows how to pack his product.

-I love the form factor; though, it's a tad bit of an awkward carry. It can be one-handed, and I do have a cart. So; there.

-Came with two port plugs in. It sounds way better with them out.

More later; neat stuff.

Nice. From the early reports on the last few pages, sounds like Duke has another winner.

I would definitely think that cab would be a 'cart cab'.

Slick looking rig!
 
Anderbass, would you say that the hathor sounds better or is more useful at lower volumes? Im finding that I can't get the bottom end that I want when using the nv610 at lower volumes. It seems like with the extra top and bottom end, the 1544 would excel in this regaurd. I totally expect that one could get very close to a sealed cab sound with this cab, only it won't have the compression going on.
 
From what I remember on the TC115, you can plug two or four, but not three (due to the asymmetry, if I remember right). The none versus two versus four should give you a similar response versus the none, one or two of the TC212.

I can see where the pretty big low end of an all tube amp would give you problems with the low end of the TC115 (which, combined with the smooth and polite top end can get to sound a bit 'bottom heavy' if you aren't careful.

I have not had the need for plugging any of the ports on my TC115 at this point, but my solid state amps are pretty well controlled down low, and have shelving bass controls with start points low enough to nicely control the low end in various rooms.

I have had my TC115 for over two months now, and have received NO plugs, and never did receive them in my original shipment as there was a back order. So far I haven't needed them, but it would be nice to have em for when I do...
 
I have had my TC115 for over two months now, and have received NO plugs, and never did receive them in my original shipment as there was a back order. So far I haven't needed them, but it would be nice to have em for when I do...

Shoot me your address and I'll send them to you. Sorry for the oversight!
 
Anderbass, would you say that the hathor sounds better or is more useful at lower volumes?

Im finding that I can't get the bottom end that I want when using the nv610 at lower volumes. It seems like with the extra top and bottom end, the 1544 would excel in this regaurd.

I totally expect that one could get very close to a sealed cab sound with this cab, only it won't have the compression going on.

Yes, I think you'll end up preferring the Hathor at all the volume levels it can produce. Nowadays, I only use/prefer my NV610 at gigs where I know I'll need more volume than the Hathor can produce. (like outdoor gigs or larger rooms without sufficient PA support)


I dig the fact my Hathor Isn't nearly as loud as my NV610. This allows me to crank my tube powered amps up to get that natural compression/sag/punchy feel I like, but at a much more reasonable volume level that doesnt dominate the bands mix or make sound men complain...

I'm still not sure what the 'sealed cab sound' is, or even if there is such a thing... My preference for certain sealed cabs (and my Hathor) Is more of a feel-thing, plus the way they just naturally roll-off the super-deep lows, and a matter of the cab not suddenly getting way louder on certain lower-frequency notes.

rpsands had a very good point about using different eq/tone-knob settings at lower volume-levels.
I'm thinking the fact the Hathor doesnt over-emphasize certain lower frequencies will prolly alow you to use more extreme EQ/tone knob settings to find a tone you'll dig at most any volume level. And with a pair of Hathors like you'll have, I got a feeling you wont be toting your NV610 around very much anymore... ;)
 
Yeah, thats what Im banking on. I had to order a pair, just had to! Im expecting big things from a pair of hathors and it would be nice be able to just bring one to some of these small bars around here.
 
Oh, I understand eq pretty well and the loudness curve but, the nv610 doesn't start to develop it's sound until it gets up to at least medium volumes no matter how I eq it. At barely medium it is too loud for most small clubs but still may not be hitting just right. It's a big cab thing as far as Im concerned. They don't start to have any life until the drivers move alittle. Smaller cabs can get that sound at lower volumes.....ready for it......because they are smaller and can pushed alittle harder without having a kill zone in front of your amp that also causes the drums to vibrate across the dance floor.
 
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