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Avoiding hand cramps

I'm hoping someone can help, I'm not sure how common a problem this is: I've had problems where during a gig my left hand has basically seized up with cramp. I wonder if either a shorter scale (somewhat small hands), or if a thicker neck especially beyond the 12th fret (I play a US standards Jazz) might help avoid this. Has anyone else us similar problems and if so found a good fix? Ta!
 
I'm hoping someone can help, I'm not sure how common a problem this is: I've had problems where during a gig my left hand has basically seized up with cramp. I wonder if either a shorter scale (somewhat small hands), or if a thicker neck especially beyond the 12th fret (I play a US standards Jazz) might help avoid this. Has anyone else us similar problems and if so found a good fix? Ta!

Hello, Happy New Year, and welcome to TalkBass. Some probing questions:
  • Are you playing bass guitar righty or lefty?
  • How many strings does your bass guitar have?
  • How long have you been playing bass guitar?
  • What type of music are you playing at these gigs?
  • What is your bass guitar role at these gigs (groove vs. constant sixteenths, arpeggios vs. pedal notes, single notes vs. chords, etc.)?
  • How long are your sets?
  • How far into a set does your hand start to cramp?
  • What is your personal warmup before you start your set at these gigs?
  • Are you habitually well hydrated, well rested, and sober before your sets?
Generalizing, I think that if your hands are much more relaxed than not while playing, all good things will follow: less fatigue; more precision, speed, and stamina; and so on. Notably, relaxation is a cornerstone of strength.
 
Hello, Happy New Year, and welcome to TalkBass. Some probing questions:
  • Are you playing bass guitar righty or lefty? RIGHT
  • How many strings does your bass guitar have? 4
  • How long have you been playing bass guitar? ABOUT 6 YEARS
  • What type of music are you playing at these gigs? MOD, PUNK, BAGGY, BRITPOP
  • What is your bass guitar role at these gigs (groove vs. constant sixteenths, arpeggios vs. pedal notes, single notes vs. chords, etc.)? SINGLE NOTES, A MIX OF GROOVE AND ARPEGGIOS
  • How long are your sets? WE USUALLY DO 2 1 AND A BIT HOUR SESSIONS PER NIGHT
  • How far into a set does your hand start to cramp? TENDS TO BE DURING MORE COMPLEX RUNS BEYOND THE 12th FRET
  • What is your personal warmup before you start your set at these gigs? TO BE HONETS, NONE! SO ANY ADVICE GRATEFULLY RECEIVED
  • Are you habitually well hydrated, well rested, and sober before your sets? I DRINK VERY LITTLE AS IM USUALLY DRIVING: BUT I ADMIT I DONT MAKE AN EFFORT TO STAY HYDRATED EITHER
Generalizing, I think that if your hands are much more relaxed than not while playing, all good things will follow: less fatigue; more precision, speed, and stamina; and so on. Notably, relaxation is a cornerstone of strength.

Thanks: comments above: maybe I need a warm up regime and more hydration....

Cheaper than a new guitar but less fun!!
 
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Both hydration and potassium will help. Potassium is found in lots of foods.

Sweet potatoes, kiwi, bananas, etc.

One good source is coconut water. Maybe pound a few of those a few hours leading up to the gig and kill two birds with one stone (hydration and potassium).

Edit to add: Victor Wooten has tiny hands and plays full scale basses and even upright. Hand size and scale should matter very little to hand cramps unless you have some other problem.
 
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Hello, Happy New Year, and welcome to TalkBass. Some probing questions:

  • Are you playing bass guitar righty or lefty? RIGHT
  • How many strings does your bass guitar have? 4
  • How long have you been playing bass guitar? ABOUT 6 YEARS
  • What type of music are you playing at these gigs? MOD, PUNK, BAGGY, BRITPOP
  • What is your bass guitar role at these gigs (groove vs. constant sixteenths, arpeggios vs. pedal notes, single notes vs. chords, etc.)? SINGLE NOTES, A MIX OF GROOVE AND ARPEGGIOS
  • How long are your sets? WE USUALLY DO 2 1 AND A BIT HOUR SESSIONS PER NIGHT
  • How far into a set does your hand start to cramp? TENDS TO BE DURING MORE COMPLEX RUNS BEYOND THE 12th FRET
  • What is your personal warmup before you start your set at these gigs? TO BE HONETS, NONE! SO ANY ADVICE GRATEFULLY RECEIVED
  • Are you habitually well hydrated, well rested, and sober before your sets? I DRINK VERY LITTLE AS IM USUALLY DRIVING: BUT I ADMIT I DONT MAKE AN EFFORT TO STAY HYDRATED EITHER
Generalizing, I think that if your hands are much more relaxed than not while playing, all good things will follow: less fatigue; more precision, speed, and stamina; and so on. Notably, relaxation is a cornerstone of strength.

Thanks: comments above: maybe I need a warm up regime and more hydration....

Cheaper than a new guitar but less fun!!

You are quite welcome. Since you didn't say how far into a set the cramping starts, let me ask: Does your hand cramp during complex runs above the 12th fret whether 5 minutes in or 50 minutes in?

Here's the deal: don't drink alcohol at all on gig days (the whole day long) until your sets are done. Alcohol kills the singing voice and (as was noted) is anti-hydration at the expense of playing. Since you already drink little at gigs, switching your habit to drinking not at all should be easy.

Pre-gig warmup lets your hands and arms know what they are in for; it gets the machine ready to work. It can be as simple and informal as noodling or as rigorous as doing, variously, chromatic runs, arpeggio runs, and intervals that get you stretching a little (even for large intervals you shouldn't need to stretch much unless you're playing harmony, but do what you must to do some stretching). Stay fluid and smooth throughout the structured stuff. Stay joyful while noodling. Stress kills, joy sustains (I myself am joyless, so I know).

My diagnosis is that your are stressing out for the stuff above the 12th fret. If anything, your fingerboard work there should be easier than down in the money frets, since the space between the frets is smaller. Relax, relax, relax.

Relaxation is a skill that can be developed, in general and also for specific activities. As you practice alone, add to your regimen an ongoing assessment of whether your left hand is relaxed, and your right hand, and your arms, shoulders, neck, etc. Then take that habit to your band rehearsals and periodically check your relaxation there. Eventually you won't need to think of it consciously. Then, when you hit the stage you'll be so relaxed that you can almost take a nap while nailing the set list.

I remember hearing that in his maturity Michael Jackson said that he was so comfortable on stage that he could just fall asleep there. This from one of the most disciplined and experienced musicians and performers of our time (whatever his shortcomings in other ways), whose gigs involved tens of thousands of people and millions of dollars.

 
Both hydration and potassium will help. Potassium is found in lots of foods.

Sweet potatoes, kiwi, bananas, etc.

One good source is coconut water. Maybe pound a few of those a few hours leading up to the gig and kill two birds with one stone (hydration and potassium).

Edit to add: Victor Wooten has tiny hands and plays full scale basses and even upright. Hand size and scale should matter very little to hand cramps unless you have some other problem.


Great, thanks: certainly it looks like it's a key part of the whole thing: water and a banana beforehand are a convenient way of covering it off, I'd say
 
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Great, thanks: certainly it looks like it's a key part of the whole thing: water and a banana beforehand are a convenient way of covering it off, I'd say

A large banana has just over 400mg of potassium while one avocado has just over 1,000. And the latter is still under 1/3 of the daily recommended allowance. The coconut water has around 600 or so.

I would either eat an avocado or two, pound a few coconut waters, or be prepared to eat (literally) a bunch of bananas. 400 mg or so right before the gig probably won't get it done.

I had problems with this some years back when I would sometimes do three gigs in a day and often did two. Had to research it myself.
 
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Strap length, and position of the bass on the body can also fatigue the hand and cause cramping. This guy is going for "cool", and I doubt very much he actually plays.
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While this gentleman is "cool", and actually plays! He wears his bass where he can play is correctly, not where people think it's cool looking.
 
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^^ I'm one for the positioning too. I hate people playing guitar or bass low (played in a band where guitarists had theirs below their knees and I kept my bass up in a decent playing position, got a lot of people commenting on that and how I stood out visually and was able to really play like that). Now what's right positioning for you may not be right for me, but when its in that sweet spot odd wrist angles don't exist (as much, can't always totally get rid of them). For me, and students I teach, I sit down with the bass in a comfortable position and adjust the strap so that when I stand, it doesn't change placement.
 
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Am I the only one who thinks that reoccuring cramps while playing is reason enough to seek medical advice and perhaps even treatment?

About ten years ago I started to experience numbness in the fingers of my right hand (my playing hand) while playing. I tried everything from changing the strap height and playing angle of my hand to taking vitamin pills and so forth. When I eventually got to the doctor it turned out I had done permanent damage to one of the nerves in my right arm. After spending quite a big amount of money on expensive treatment and not being able to play bass at all for several months, my arm is better. I still (10 years later, mind you) have problems playing with my fingers, so now I mostly play with a pick to avoid discomfort.

Be smart. Be safe. Consult your doctor if you have a problem or experience discomfort. Hopefully it's nothing. But if it is, you will be glad you did.
 
I'm hoping someone can help, I'm not sure how common a problem this is: I've had problems where during a gig my left hand has basically seized up with cramp. I wonder if either a shorter scale (somewhat small hands), or if a thicker neck especially beyond the 12th fret (I play a US standards Jazz) might help avoid this. Has anyone else us similar problems and if so found a good fix? Ta!
find a professional hand specialist before you do unrepairable damages!! also its probably a good idea to research how/why it got that way in the first place! in the mean time take a break till you figure it out.
 
A lot of good info already mentioned. If you are on stage in the middle of a song and the cramping happens (or you feel it coming on) start breathing as deep and slow as possible...it will help relax you. Keep focusing on your breath...this always helps me tremendously and has gotten me out of many tight spots.
 
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Am I the only one who thinks that reoccuring cramps while playing is reason enough to seek medical advice and perhaps even treatment?

About ten years ago I started to experience numbness in the fingers of my right hand (my playing hand) while playing. I tried everything from changing the strap height and playing angle of my hand to taking vitamin pills and so forth. When I eventually got to the doctor it turned out I had done permanent damage to one of the nerves in my right arm. After spending quite a big amount of money on expensive treatment and not being able to play bass at all for several months, my arm is better. I still (10 years later, mind you) have problems playing with my fingers, so now I mostly play with a pick to avoid discomfort.

Be smart. Be safe. Consult your doctor if you have a problem or experience discomfort. Hopefully it's nothing. But if it is, you will be glad you did.
As a nurse, periodic cramping due to playing isn't that bad. But as you said you had numbness, and that points to a nerve issue above just a muscle cramp. Now if it is super serious cramping that doesn't resolve by resting the muscle, please get it seen about and don't continue to push the issue in a "well maybe it will get better". Muscle cramps in this situation that he has laid out just seem like that to me, a muscle cramp. I'm not a MD and I haven't seen his issue and what is going on, so I have to go with what he has stated.
Try the above mentioned things and if it doesn't resolve (or gets worse with numbness involved) in 1-2 gigs (stretching daily and before you play will help no matter) go get it seen about.
 
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