Sure. But, I dunno, Im always open to some GAS.
I find my relationship to GAS to be reverse to this: I am not ever ready for GAS, but it's always ready for me.
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Axe-Fx Ultra Sound Clip Requests?
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I find my relationship to GAS to be reverse to this: I am not ever ready for GAS, but it's always ready for me.
Well, I guess a correction is in order. Since I worked a multi SUCCESSFULLY into my setup, tho in my case I operate it like a bunch of individual pedals, Im open to a multi being able to replace my fuzz collection as well, since the GT-10B can't.
There are 2 reasons the GT can't. 1, I have recently assigned the OD/DS section to be a boost before the tube amp sim, since I "folded" the bass channel into the GT itself. And 2, the fuzzes on the GT aren't "saturated" enough and are far to "crackly" rather than "grindy" and "screaming". The clips of the M9 (as well as the operation of the M9 itself), and previous experience, give me high hopes that maybe line 6 will one day provide an "answer", but like previously stated, I am always open to any all-inclusive stand-alone multi effect (which the M series really aren't, and even line 6 says they aren't meant to be) inducing said GAS effect within my being.
BTW, I basically just use the GT in "manual" mode where all the #/bank buttons can be set to on/off individual FX modules.
Sorry for the wordy/legaleseness of that....
There are 2 reasons the GT can't. 1, I have recently assigned the OD/DS section to be a boost before the tube amp sim, since I "folded" the bass channel into the GT itself. And 2, the fuzzes on the GT aren't "saturated" enough and are far to "crackly" rather than "grindy" and "screaming". The clips of the M9 (as well as the operation of the M9 itself), and previous experience, give me high hopes that maybe line 6 will one day provide an "answer", but like previously stated, I am always open to any all-inclusive stand-alone multi effect (which the M series really aren't, and even line 6 says they aren't meant to be) inducing said GAS effect within my being.
BTW, I basically just use the GT in "manual" mode where all the #/bank buttons can be set to on/off individual FX modules.
Sorry for the wordy/legaleseness of that....
I might do that, but Cliff updates the firmware so quickly (currently in version 9) and they're are enough people whining about it on the Fractal forums that I'm sure we'll get something dense and synthy in one of the next updates. As I said before though, there are a ton of workarounds, half of which I like more than some of my original sounds and some of which are just really flexible and tweakable. I'll do a doomy fuzz sound clip for you with static low-pass filters, distorted synths, a tracking ring mod, some more distortion, and an octave down. Mix together and feed to a Mesa model with the high-pass shelving cranked down to 20 or 30 hz. It's huge.
The Axe is frighteningly good at amp modeling. Pretty much all of my guitar player friends have had self-analytic "I can't believe it's not butter" moments when I run it in full 32-bit resolution through a headphone amp or even a power amp. The delay and modulation can be very convincing but they can also get into more extreme territory, especially with the routing flexibility you get.
For bassists, the current weak link is the pedal-distortion area. But the thing is, the models themselves are excellent. I don't have a Muff by me to compare the Axe's model to, but I've owned plenty of Muffs before and it's frighteningly accurate. I think I can honestly say that if I had one extreme fuzz model, I could tweak it differently a billion times and get everything I needed out of it. I think Cliff is aware that he's really taken care of the metal fans, classic rock fans, fusion fans, blues fans, prog rock fans, etc. but has kind of neglected some important American bands that aimed to challenge our concepts of "heavy" and definitely "noise." I'm not saying that you can't get great sounds if you're into that kind of music, but at the moment, you're not going to find them right out of the box.
I sold all of my pedals, preamps, and rack units. I'm just using the Nord Modular G2 Engine and Axe-Fx Ultra now. I don't regret it at all, am programming more unique stuff than I've ever had before, and am definitely complaining about "sterile" digital effects and models at all. I think I really underestimated how inspiring convenience is. None of my cables are ever broken and I can sketch out some ideas in the editor while I drink my coffee, dump them to my hardware later, tweak them a bit from my laptop, and then save them to be recalled with one stomp.
The Axe is frighteningly good at amp modeling. Pretty much all of my guitar player friends have had self-analytic "I can't believe it's not butter" moments when I run it in full 32-bit resolution through a headphone amp or even a power amp. The delay and modulation can be very convincing but they can also get into more extreme territory, especially with the routing flexibility you get.
For bassists, the current weak link is the pedal-distortion area. But the thing is, the models themselves are excellent. I don't have a Muff by me to compare the Axe's model to, but I've owned plenty of Muffs before and it's frighteningly accurate. I think I can honestly say that if I had one extreme fuzz model, I could tweak it differently a billion times and get everything I needed out of it. I think Cliff is aware that he's really taken care of the metal fans, classic rock fans, fusion fans, blues fans, prog rock fans, etc. but has kind of neglected some important American bands that aimed to challenge our concepts of "heavy" and definitely "noise." I'm not saying that you can't get great sounds if you're into that kind of music, but at the moment, you're not going to find them right out of the box.
I sold all of my pedals, preamps, and rack units. I'm just using the Nord Modular G2 Engine and Axe-Fx Ultra now. I don't regret it at all, am programming more unique stuff than I've ever had before, and am definitely complaining about "sterile" digital effects and models at all. I think I really underestimated how inspiring convenience is. None of my cables are ever broken and I can sketch out some ideas in the editor while I drink my coffee, dump them to my hardware later, tweak them a bit from my laptop, and then save them to be recalled with one stomp.
One way I could see the fuzz being saturated enough is to run a really gritty fuzz and a more grindy OD in parallel.
With the Axe you could prolly do this, but with the GT you would have to rely on the Amp section for the second OD, which I need for my "clean/bass" channel, plus it only has 2 chains, tho the direct mix on the OD/DS might passably do it.
BTW, Im just really shooting out ideas at this point. TBH, I've got too much other stuff on my "plate" that is both more important and requires money to be saved. But, I still find it interesting to see what the Axe can do
With the Axe you could prolly do this, but with the GT you would have to rely on the Amp section for the second OD, which I need for my "clean/bass" channel, plus it only has 2 chains, tho the direct mix on the OD/DS might passably do it.
BTW, Im just really shooting out ideas at this point. TBH, I've got too much other stuff on my "plate" that is both more important and requires money to be saved. But, I still find it interesting to see what the Axe can do
Seriously, the implications of this thing are frightening. It looks to me like it's threatening to bring down the tradition of acquiring thousands of dollars of gear over the course of a career, because, especially as more updates are made, you could find any possible mix and configuration of sounds you want in this thing, and then have them available in one stomp from your controller. 384 of them at that.
More clips!
More clips!
A demo of a couple interesting synth-based sounds on the skinny sixer:
Those sounds both sound gorgeous to me, at least on guitar.
Those sounds both sound gorgeous to me, at least on guitar.
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i think an 18" stonehenge just descended behind me while i listened to that second clip...
pretty impressive, processing wise... aesthetically crap, in those clips, but seems like this thing can do some pretty cool stuff.
john
pretty impressive, processing wise... aesthetically crap, in those clips, but seems like this thing can do some pretty cool stuff.
john
Nuh uh. No way this thread is getting buried, Mr. Jufros.
Here's a series demonstrating the Ultra's abilities to mimic popular drive pedals on the gifiddle. Most of them sound pretty much identical to me, and definitely not different enough for anyone to care in the studio, least of all live.
Here's a series demonstrating the Ultra's abilities to mimic popular drive pedals on the gifiddle. Most of them sound pretty much identical to me, and definitely not different enough for anyone to care in the studio, least of all live.
Listening to those vids now. Only done the 1st one and part of #2, but im hoping there's a muff fuzz in there...
ya. i listened to all 3. No muff
Even so, I mean, you must agree that those are some bang-on interpretations of those boxes, no matter which is which? That pretty much sells me on the drive section already, if they could introduce more fuzzes and have them be equally genuine.
John, would you elaborate on your comment "aesthetically crap?" I agree that this unit is an amazing processor, but there's something about analogue that I "aesthetically" and philosophically resonate with...
Jufros, is that only the Axe-FX???? Can I get a copy of the file from you to see how it's built? Pretty please?
I'm test-driving a buddy's Ultra at the moment and am completely floored. If I can even get close to these tones, I may have to offload some coveted pedals I never would have expected to get rid of, like some of my Akai pieces...
Yeah that was just the Axe Ultra. I'm out of town but I'll gladly share the preset when I get home. If I remember correctly it was something like octave->fuzz->blues amp sim with a low pass filter cutting out some of the more brittle highs, a clean->light 5th harmony pitch mod->rat sim, and then a square/saw synth with an envelope filter after it. I think I mixed all three of those and ran them through another amp sim. Then I split that into a 4x10 cab model and mixed in some of the "clean" signal. Pretty complicated routing but I really like the sound.
These two videos demonstrate some of the crazier sounds it can achieve.
Check out that tracking ring mod towards the middle of the second one...mmm. On bass that would sound so heavy.
Check out that tracking ring mod towards the middle of the second one...mmm. On bass that would sound so heavy.
