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Bag End Club.

#101
the_hook said:
Just curious at this point, but take a look at my rig picture and spec's from my post here (#96).

When I bought my amps I was on a tight budget and I didn't mind that they come in under the power rating of the BE cabs. But down the road I may want to get something that can really wake the BE's up.

I've read that BE cabs can take much more than their specified power rating. I'm just wondering, from those with experience with BE cabs, how much they can really take consistently? Both cabs are rated at 400w.
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Are you running at 2.67 ohms? (one 4 ohm + one 8 ohm cab) You will need an amp that will do a 2 ohm load or at least 2.67 to be exact. Remember also that the 4 ohm cab will get twice the power of the 8 ohm cab when considering this. This is what BE has to say about the subject. I would sum it up as yes, you can run them with a high-powered amp (I do) but you must be judicious and smart about it. Listen to the speakers and do not drive them to distortion for extended periods.

*** from the BE website
"Recommended amplifier size: Amplifiers will vary greatly from different manufacturers. The amplifiers output power rating is only one part of the information required to chose an amplifier for your system. Different amplifiers with the same output power rating will sound different and have various feelings of power and fidelity. Added to this are the various playing styles and techniques of the individual musician which will utilize various degrees of dynamic range. With a playing style utilizing wide dynamic range you may successfully choose the higher power rating, while a hard driving rock style would be safer choosing the lower power rating and adding additional speakers as required for a high output system. A system limiter is always a good choice to prevent the power amplifier from clipping which can both sound bad and cause speaker damage."
 
#102
Frankie Fender said:
Are you running at 2.67 ohms? (one 4 ohm + one 8 ohm cab) You will need an amp that will do a 2 ohm load or at least 2.67 to be exact. Remeber also that the 4 ohm cab will get twice the power of the 8 ohm cab. This is what BE has to say about the subject. I would sum it up as yes, you can run them with a high-powered amp (I do) but you must be judicious and smart about it. Listen to the speakers and do not drive them to distortion.

*** from the BE website
"Recommended amplifier size: Amplifiers will vary greatly from different manufacturers. The amplifiers output power rating is only one part of the information required to chose an amplifier for your system. Different amplifiers with the same output power rating will sound different and have various feelings of power and fidelity. Added to this are the various playing styles and techniques of the individual musician which will utilize various degrees of dynamic range. With a playing style utilizing wide dynamic range you may successfully choose the higher power rating, while a hard driving rock style would be safer choosing the lower power rating and adding additional speakers as required for a high output system. A system limiter is always a good choice to prevent the power amplifier from clipping which can both sound bad and cause speaker damage."
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I believe he's running a stereo (2 channel) power amp....
 
#103
the_hook said:
Just curious at this point, but take a look at my rig picture and spec's from my post here (#96).

When I bought my amps I was on a tight budget and I didn't mind that they come in under the power rating of the BE cabs. But down the road I may want to get something that can really wake the BE's up.

I've read that BE cabs can take much more than their specified power rating. I'm just wondering, from those with experience with BE cabs, how much they can really take consistently? Both cabs are rated at 400w.
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I've had no problem running a S18D with one side of a Crown XTI4000 which puts out 650 watts at 8 ohms. The S18 seems to be able to take this without issue, I do not have experience with the D10 but most 2x10 cabinets will reach maximum output with about 500-600 watts....

Looking at the Crown XTIs as an example the XTI2000 will leave something on the table, the XTI4000 will drive these cabs to their potential but you need to be careful if you get up into that range...Assuming you're using each side of the amp to drive each cabinet..
 
#105
peterpalmieri said:
I've had no problem running a S18D with one side of a Crown XTI4000 which puts out 650 watts at 8 ohms. The S18 seems to be able to take this without issue, I do not have experience with the D10 but most 2x10 cabinets will reach maximum output with about 500-600 watts....

Looking at the Crown XTIs as an example the XTI2000 will leave something on the table, the XTI4000 will drive these cabs to their potential but you need to be careful if you get up into that range...Assuming you're using each side of the amp to drive each cabinet..
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Thanks guys.

Yes, when I lucked into both cabs, my knowledge not being too good with ohms and watts, I learned that the ohm mismatch would not work with the 4 ohm capabale Acoustic head.

I was tempted to get the B600H Acoustic head (rated down to 2 ohms) but then learned the 2x10 would get more power than the 1x18. It was then I looked into a separate, 2 channel power amp, once I knew I could run the Acoustic through it as an EQ.

Another question I have is; if I get another 8 ohm BE cab to go with the 1x18, would I be better off with a 1x12 or 1x15?

Too funny; I just saw a local listing for a 4x10 BE 800w @ 8 ohm cab for sale. Pair that baby with the 1x18...and the neighbours will be calling the police....:)
 
#107
the_hook said:
Thanks guys.

Yes, when I lucked into both cabs, my knowledge not being too good with ohms and watts, I learned that the ohm mismatch would not work with the 4 ohm capabale Acoustic head.

I was tempted to get the B600H Acoustic head (rated down to 2 ohms) but then learned the 2x10 would get more power than the 1x18. It was then I looked into a separate, 2 channel power amp, once I knew I could run the Acoustic through it as an EQ.

Another question I have is; if I get another 8 ohm BE cab to go with the 1x18, would I be better off with a 1x12 or 1x15?

Too funny; I just saw a local listing for a 4x10 BE 800w @ 8 ohm cab for sale. Pair that baby with the 1x18...and the neighbours will be calling the police....:)
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Personally my two favorite Bag End stacks are:

S15XD/S15D

Q10BXD/S18D
 
#109
I'll have to join in as well, having somehow overcome the urge to let my S15X-D/S15-D stack go earlier this year. Thankfully. It sounds really, really nice with the Shuttle 9.0. Then again, any head or rack I've connected to it has sounded good, so there ya go.

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#111
jlane72t said:
Anybody remove the rat fur? Know if it's too much of a pain to bother attempting? I've got one in that red fuzz that I'd much rather be seeing in flat black paint to match my other.
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Jlane, I believe we covered that in the "Bag End Stack in the House" original megathread. Check back in that one. Bag End says it should come off with lots of dampening with water, and patience.
 
#116
After several years of 10s and 12s, I've decided to add some 15s to the arsenal.

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I will be powering them with a Genz Benz ShuttleMax 6.0
 
#118
FuxxBoxVoodoo - #02
KUNgfuSHERIFF - #03 - Happy?
Akito - #04
James Hart - #05
ExaltBass - #06
Wyrm74 - #99 (Divo)
KPJ - #07
Freddels - #08
TrevorOfDoom - #09
davidjbass - #10
N.F.A. - #11
BIGREDSIX - #12
Lester4string - #13
IvanMike - #14
Frankie Fender - #15
Mulebagger - #16
Chuck King - #17
Mr Matt - #18
rodb - #19
dscott11 - #20
Loel - #21
lo_freq_geek - #22
ghiadub - #23
the_hook - #24
57pbass - #25
Tajue17 - #26
MichaelVee - #27
 
#119
guy n. cognito said:
After several years of 10s and 12s, I've decided to add some 15s to the arsenal.

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I will be powering them with a Genz Benz ShuttleMax 6.0
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i'd love to hear how the shuttle 6 and 9 do with the bag end cabs. bummer they don't do 2 ohms, but you can't have everything from a 4 lb head. part of me thinks it would be neat to get a 9 for the fifteens and a 6 for the twelves as i understand the high pass filter on the 6 is set a little higher as they assume you aren't going to be using super big cabs with it. I'm really intrigued by the idea of being able to use some seriously small heads with my seriously small cabs and still move as much air as my stewart 2.1.
 
#120
IvanMike said:
i'd love to hear how the shuttle 6 and 9 do with the bag end cabs. bummer they don't do 2 ohms, but you can't have everything from a 4 lb head. part of me thinks it would be neat to get a 9 for the fifteens and a 6 for the twelves as i understand the high pass filter on the 6 is set a little higher as they assume you aren't going to be using super big cabs with it. I'm really intrigued by the idea of being able to use some seriously small heads with my seriously small cabs and still move as much air as my stewart 2.1.
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I gigged my BEs with the ShuttleMax6.0 this weekend. We were playing a 150 seat bar and the house was packed. Usually, I play this bar with a Acme Low B 2, so the BE stack was a bit of overkill. Volume know never got past about 10:00. My main bass for the night was a Sadowsky Metro RV-5. The rig sounded great. Plenty of cut-through and I didn't get lost in the mix with my bass-heavy guitard player. The only downside is that these cabinets don't have the low end thump of the Acme, which is important since I don't have PA support for this type of gig.
 

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