Doug Ring said:25 watts doesn't sound like much power UNLESS you feed it to a high efficiency speaker.
Some older speakers were astonishingly good because the magnets were really powerful. The magnets used to be made from AlNiCo - aluminium/nickel/cobalt - which could hold a tremendous amount of magnetism. Then there was a world shortage of either nickel or cobalt (can't remember which) in the 60's and no one could afford to make these magnets any more. It wasn't until around the 80's that they invented neodymium, which still isn't as good as AlNiCo, but coupled with other advances like edge-winding the coil wire and ferro-fluid damping has finally made the modern speaker better than its older counterpart.
So the old Ampeg rig may well be as loud as a modern one because the speaker converts more of the amp power into sound. Here's some maths:
Speakers are assessed for the sound power they produce by feeding them with 1 watt and measuring the output at 1 metre. 97dB/w/m is common. They can get as high as 106db/w/m however. An increase of 3dB is a doubling of sound as well as amplifier power. So... Take a 25W amp driving a 106dB/w/m speaker. To generate the same sound power into a 97dB/w/m speaker, you've dropped 9dB of speaker sensitivity, so it's 8 times less efficient. In other words, you need 200 watts to match the first combination!
Hope this helps.
Great Stuff. I Think the original speakers were traditional
magnets (iron ferrite ...is that correct?) but, Ampeg offered
JBL 's and Altec Lansings that were AlNiCo's as a upgrade.
So it would depend on which one you have. I don't know what
the specs were on the original Jensens.
Aditionally, A lot of players, myself included replaced
the orignal speakers with better ones that were AlNiCo's
So you have really hit on something. The cabinet configuration
was unique as well, there is a thread on that in one of the
Euphonic Audio VL 208 discussions. As I remember (I'm a baby boomer here in the US), Cobalt was the rare element
that was scarce in the late 60's because it came from either
Vietnam or Cambodia, when that happened 15" JBL D140's
started using these huge ceramic composite magnets.
Thank goodness for Neo's. How efficent are they?
Ric
I hope to have more comments on it here soon.