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Bar band --> Wedding Band?

You're not a wedding band ... and I can't imagine why you think you can be for this one gig. Do your cousin a favor and just bow out. It takes a lot more than a set list to be a good wedding band or DJ.

Please don't take my post as a criticism of your band or skill as musicians. A lot will depend on what your cousin expects from your band. Does he want to save a few bucks over the DJ thinking your band will essentially be a live juke box. If so, can you guys cover a wide variety of musical styles. Can you play, or even want to play, YMCA, Celebration, or Brick House, which seem to be wedding staples. How about newer tunes in the pop, r&b, and dance genres? Can your lead singer cover those tunes as well?

I could be very wrong (I often am), but in my gut I see this as a potential red flag in terms of band chemistry. A lot of work to get "wedding ready" -- you gotta have everyone committed and bought in. One guy flakes out and you just boned your cousin.

Good luck with whatever choice you make.

Band chemistry I'm not worried about - by "not too long" and "not close" I meant we haven't been gigging geographically close to my cousin, so there hasn't been much opportunity for him to have seen us, ergo I approached him rather than vice versa. The members of the band are very committed and play very well together.

A GOOD DJ doesn't just stand there with his hat on sideways saying, "Yo Dawg." A good DJ is a master of ceremonies and knows all of the little things involved in helping to make the wedding a success, i.e. The first dance, dance with the father, cutting the cake, calling a line dance. A really good DJ can run the show and make it enjoyable for everyone. My nephew got married last year and the DJ was absolutely fantastic and well worth $1500. It doesn't seem like the OPs band can do any of that.

Also, a crappy band can ruin a wedding.

This (and some of the other quotes I grabbed) are getting at what I'm trying to learn - being told "you're not a wedding band, don't bother" falls in the not-very-helpful column. What I'm trying to find out is where the differences are so that I can figure out how well positioned we are to pull off the gig successfully and whether any adjustments we need to make will be worth it.

Varieties of musical styles - check. We've got stuff from 70s classic rock to new country to Katy Perry. We can be versatile. I do have doubts about how prepared we could be to pull off any random on-the-spot request, but anything we're asked to prepare we can prepare.

Renting tuxes - check. Easy enough to do.

MC the event - this would be something I would need to talk to my cousin about; I don't know if the quote from the DJ was for MC'ing as well as running music, it may well have been. Wouldn't be a deal-breaker for me if we were expected to do it.

What else? Keep it coming.
 
I agree with the sentiment that if your cousin had approached YOU about doing the gig, that would be one thing. But to commit to a family member's wedding that you yourself solicited the gig, for a band that really isn't even established on the bar scene, regardless on if the wedding is a year away, would not be what I would do. Look at it this way:

Best case scenario: you put a bunch of time into learning some songs you will neve really play outside a wedidng reception, and do a great job. Your cousin is happy, you made 2-3 hundo, and you might be able to build into more weddings (do you want to do that?).

Worst case scenario: you put in a bunch of hours and still hack the job. Your cousin is pissed at you for the rest of your life.

To me, unless you are all really excited about possibly becoming a wedding band, the risks of the worst case scenario does not equal the rewards of the best case......
 
........ being told "you're not a wedding band, don't bother" falls in the not-very-helpful column. What I'm trying to find out is where the differences are .........

The main difference between a bar gig and a wedding gig is you can seriously hack a bar gig and still "recover" and play in that bar again, or for sure the same town very soon.

Hack someone's possibly once-in-a-lifetime big day? Whole different story.

The pressure of one shot is the biggest difference to me.
 
I think it would depend on where you live as to whether or not you need to be what is considered a traditional wedding band. I have played probably a t least a hundred weddings and never once wore a tux and have only played the chicken dance at one wedding. Where I live a tradional wedding band would starve for lack of jobs.
 
I put a band together that was meant to be a bar band. We play raucous music like Ska, Funk, Swing and Punked up versions of pop tunes (www.kingcomfy.com). We have 3 weddings booked for this summer, with 2 of them being cold calls. The clients are not expecting us to play the Hokey Pokey, The Chicken Dance, We Are Family, or the typical wedding band songs. They have seen our video and songlist, and hired us to do what we do: Ska, Swing, Funk, and Punk. If we did anything else, they would probably be disappointed. And quite honestly, I don't think a DJ can do what we do, so we're not competing with them in terms of material. Not everyone is looking for a typical wedding band for their reception.

That said, the first thing to do is talk to your client and assess what their expectations are. We had a potential client that liked our sound, but wanted us to do alot of Disco, some which had female vocals. In the end, we had to determine it wasn't a fit because they REALLY wanted that stuff in their reception but it's really wasn't material that we did or thought we could pull off vocally. I'm sure there are countless potential customers who checked us out and determined it wasn't a fit without ever contacting us.

Before you put in a quote, get the details, and lots of them. You can have a $100 per man gig that you feel like you got overpaid for, and $300 per man gigs that felt like you didn't get paid enough for. The two main things that you need to determine are time and materials, since that's what you are providing in the end.

Time is the most important thing to consider.
- Unlike bar gigs that usually set up an hour or so before the show starts, you may be setting up at noon or the day before so that the caterer can work around you. You may be waiting around all day in the middle of nowhere to start playing at 7PM.
- Consider the planning and prep time. A bar gig doesn't require as many details since they typically are set up to have a band, but for weddings there can be even more. You should consider the time for gathering info to be part of your quote. I've had to drive 50+ miles to check out a venue, and/or talk with the client or host to check out the details. A bar gig may take me 15 minutes to set up, while I may be trading emails and phone calls for weeks and months to work out the details for a wedding.
- You may need to learn some special songs that you will never play again, and that's another element of time to be considered. Some of the songs may be really difficult or require you to call in an additional musician to pull off.
- Get an order of events. In a bar gig you may play Rock from 9-1. At a wedding you may play quiet Jazz for an hour during cocktails, play a song to introduce the wedding party, wait around for speeches, play a couple of dances, eat a box lunch on the loading dock while everyone eats filet mignon, hustle back to perform a 3 hour show, and then play for another hour because the father of the bride slipped the bandleader a couple of C-notes. Or you may just play for an hour and head home. But get an order of events, and good wedding bands and wedding planners can help with that.


When considering materials, a wedding gig can be different as well.
- You need to take the initial view that the venue is not set up to have a band. While lots of bars may be set up for a band (albeit poorly), lots of wedding venues are not. Getting a floorplan or seating chart in advance will certainly help. Have an idea of what your band may require in terms of stuff like stage space, shelter, power, etc. Then once you figured that out, determine who is going to provide it. If the band is providing it, it has to be rolled into the cost. If the host is providing it, it should be put into the contract.
- Consider things you may need to reduce liability and increase safety, such as a large rug for covering up a cable that runs across a high traffic area. Keep the dance floor clear of band related stuff and keeping anything that someone can trip or knock over away from dancers.
- Of course, consider sound and lighting. If you don't have it, then you will need to buy or rent. You will probably be using your sound system for announcements, speeches, etc. as well. Your sound system may be great for a small bar gig, but not enough for an outdoor event with 300+ guests. Your rig for shows at the local Rock venue may totally destroy (literally) a small dainty room with decorative plates on the walls. Since my band is technically a loud band based on the material, I try to clear up expectations early. (Do you want a loud show or a quite one?). I quote differently based on whether we can get by with a small PA or have to hire out sound.

I cannot stress how important a contract is. If not for legal protection for both parties, it's useful as a reference and to make sure the details are spelled out and agreed upon prior to the event. A well written contract can reduce misunderstandings and differences in expectation.
 
EDIT: Jive put it a lot more eloquently! And spot on . . .

I agree w/ all the sentiments. FWIW I tried putting a band together for my wedding (mind you of top top local guys I'm friends w/ who could do the gig in a walk) but saw a HUGE potential problem. My soon to be wife. The stress of making a wedding perfect is overwhelming for a bride (even my wife, who could've given a crap) not to mention every aspect of the wedding is so overpriced and over hyped to be "perfect" that it's no wonder every bride is miserable over SOMETHING on the big day. TRUST ME you don't want to be a "something" for a family member (right or wrong)! That sort of thing NEVER goes away . . .

So there is my answer to your question...perfection! In EVERY way! is the big difference. Will there be a DJ too? (was this answered?) if not, there are a huge number of ridiculous formalities like mother/father dances etc that you will need to address as well as guiding the crowd in and out of a few other ridiculous things like throwing bouquets etc. . .

And to the guys saying $1500 is a lot for a DJ - it's about what I paid a few years ago . .. seems to be he norm. At least around my area. Anything "wedding" goes up, up, and away . . .
 
You're not a wedding band ... and I can't imagine why you think you can be for this one gig. Do your cousin a favor and just bow out. It takes a lot more than a set list to be a good wedding band or DJ.

This. And you're going to want to have fun anyway. Playing in a wedding band is real work, and it sounds like you guys aren't right for the gig anyway. And wedding gigs should never pay less than $300 per man.
 
You're not a wedding band ... and I can't imagine why you think you can be for this one gig...
Not a problem, if you're up front about it. We've done weddings. You just explain that nothing changes from a club gig. Not everyone needs a "wedding band". Sometimes they just want good entertainment.

EDIT: We play nearly all dance rock and pop
 
But we're not a classic wedding band with a repertoire of 300 top-40 hits to choose from, we're a year-old bar band with about 50 or 60 tunes, and not all of them guaranteed crowd-pleasers - you know, stuff that someone or other wanted to play.

Interesting, in my band we don't ever play anything a band member wants to play, we only play songs that are a match for the band and the people that come to see us.

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I told my wife I wanted to buy out a Wal-Mart and paint the entire inventory in pastel and floral patterns to create a wedding superstore where everything was marked up 400%.

I bet there'd be a line out the door too! ;)

My buddy's girl wanted to get married on some island (popular, I forget the name though) but they couldn't afford it. She got creative - told them it was a family reunion and the price dropped by more than half . . . craziness! Vegas/Elvis is the way to go!!:smug:
 
When we play weddings we play the same as bar gigs, except we provide lights. But the customers are always people who have seen us and know what to expect. We will learn one or two songs for a wedding (first dance for example).

So rather than a traditional wedding band, they are getting a rock band to dance to.

We do provide music between sets if wanted.
 
Thanks everybody, and keep the comments coming. btw, I didn't mean the "not-very-helpful" comment to disrespect those who had said not to do it, just that I'd like to approach the situation with a clear sense of the reasons why we might not want to do it so I can weigh them.

These comments are all very helpful for me to think through the pros and cons and issues I would need to talk to my cousin and his fiancee about, especially Jive's very detailed discussion. Seems like the bottom line is to really figure out what they want for the event and make an honest assessment of whether we can deliver it or not, and this is giving me a good idea about the talking points to make sure we go over.

I appreciate the warnings about what-if-you-screw-up-your-cousin's-big-day. That's a very valid point. But at the same time, maybe I'm just delusional, but it's not bothering me too much. We're not a bunch of hacks, our performances are consistent, and I think that if we get the schedule, expectations, set list, etc. all written down and clear we would execute pretty smoothly.

But keep the thoughts coming...
 
I agree with the guy who said "Bar bands and weddings are usually not a good mix IMHO." Unless you're playing in West VA for a redneck wedding... which our band has done.

If you're a wedding band with 500 songs that does weddings all the time, that's a different story.
 
With weddings there is always a LOT of pressure - you might want to consider that even if your cousin feels right now that your band is exactly what he wants, it is typical of weddings for all kinds of well-intended people to interfere, parents tend to help pay for it and want a say on this and that, and so on. There is a reason why weddings so often end up into these standard formula's that nobody really likes - it is the safe way out because too many people involved want different things.

Go for it-but please be aware of all possible family dynamics that might pop up in the period running up to the event.
 
I am in my 2nd (and final) marriage. I have played HUNDREDS of weddings, and even took on the MC roll for most of those events. Here is what I have learned. Although your cousin is also getting married, HE has not dreamed of this day his whole life. However, SHE has. You need to run your set list by the BRIDE. She and her buddies are going to be reliving college or childhood memories, and ushering in a new period in all of their lives with their friend getting married. And if SHE is not OK with the set list, then you have the potential to ruin HER day. So PLEASE, I beg you, don't make ANY agreements with your cousin that aren't COMPLETELY approved by the bride as well. If she is standing over in the corner not having any fun, then pretty much the whole day sucks for everyone. It doesn't matter if you play 49 out of 50 of your cousin's favorite songs, his parents' favorite songs, her parents' favorite songs, or all the groomsmen's favorite songs. If it sucks for her, you shouldn't be there.

This is all being said without having read every post, knowing your set list, or knowing how great your band is. My point is, NONE of that matters if the bride hates the songs you play. If she's not having any fun, then your cousin, her parents, her buddies, and even the caterer won't be having any fun. She makes or breaks the day. And, like I said, she has been dreaming of this day since she was 3. (I know. I have a 3 year old who is already talking about her wedding.)

On the other hand, if she is OK with it, then go RAWK that wedding!
 
Weddings are high pressure situations with not much room to figure it out as you go. It has to be on point right from the get go and a lot of the timing comes down on the bandleader. All the other vendors will be depending on you to run the event to some extent. Things you'd never think of can quickly become your problem. Like, if the catering person tells you to introduce the cake- cutting and the photographer isn't ready and misses the shot, that's on you. Things like that.

I do a really good job of it with years of experience and the proper medication.