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Bass cabinet on a stand??

Medicman95370

Medicman95370

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Dec 29, 2017
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#1
Hello out there in Bass land.
My live set up consists of a 4x10 GK Neo cab and a Hartke LH 500 amp. I've had problems hearing myself so I started putting my cabinet on top of a road case that I made. It's essentially a 20 inch high wooden box. The question is that by putting off of the floor am I loosing the sonic sound of the bass?
Thanks!!
 
#2
Maybe some floor coupling. Not much more than some boom though. What you ARE doing is getting the speakers up higher and closer to your ears.

If anything you are helping keep stage volume down so FOH isnt FUBAR'd by you dumping more power into the mix.

Nothing at all wrong with doing what you're doing. Bonus that it is working for you.
 
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I stack my 2 112's on their sides on two milk crates 90% of the time. I'm 6ft 2in and found I get too loud with them on the ground if they're close behind me. I was inadvertently starting the stage "volume wars" and didn't know it for years as a consequence of my butt not having ears LOL. The other 10% are on the ground if the cabs are far enough behind me.

Stage volume discipline is more important than what little floor coupling I'm losing.

You're doin' the right thing.
 
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This is a couple of ways I’ve got my 212 cab off the for for some club gigs. It’s one of my favorite medium sized cabs that I use, here shown with two different bands I work with.

A nice compact touring rig.

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JGbassman said:
This is a couple of ways I’ve got my 212 cab off the for for some club gigs. It’s one of my favorite medium sized cabs that I use, here shown with two different bands I work with
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Hey JG, these look great. Looks like they would work well. What is that second stand, the one in front of the green wall? I've been looking for one that is not tilted back at an angle, like that one. Would that hold a 4x10 cabinet, do you think?
 
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Haunted House said:
@JGbassman
Hey JG, these look great. Looks like they would work well. What is that second stand, the one in front of the green wall? I've been looking for one that is not tilted back at an angle, like that one. Would that hold a 4x10 cabinet, do you think?
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Hey HH,

Stand is an “On Stage” brand stand. Can’t remember where I got it, Sweetwater is probably where.

The stand does tilt back, but it’s not an extreme angle, definitely not enough to worry about the rack falling off. And yes, I’m sure it would support a 410
 
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Medicman95370 said:
Hello out there in Bass land.
My live set up consists of a 4x10 GK Neo cab and a Hartke LH 500 amp. I've had problems hearing myself so I started putting my cabinet on top of a road case that I made. It's essentially a 20 inch high wooden box. The question is that by putting off of the floor am I loosing the sonic sound of the bass?
Thanks!!
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You are Not loosing any of the bass sound.
There is an audio illusion that makes people believe they loose bass. The mids are closer to their ears when a cabinet is raised. This makes the lows sound weaker as the lows are masked by the stronger mids. It's only an illusion. The bass is just as strong as it was in any location.
Turn the mids down and bass will sound just a bass strong, only outfront the audience will hear less mids so keep this in mind.
 
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Yep, used to do it all the time with a Schroeder 1210 I had. used one of those tilt-back guitar stands, brought it up to probably around my waist area, really helped keep stage volume down and let me hear it clearer. Especially playing with a FOH, didn't 'lose' any bass on stage.
 
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Inara said:
I play a lot of shows with a single 12" cab, as we don't do huge stage volume and always have FOH support. I don't raise the cab too high off the ground, but the stand I use angles it up toward me, and works great. I'm a firm believer in elevating and angling the cab. Here's a pic from a live radio broadcast last year:
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Hi Inara, what stand is that? Curious, as I shop stands I see some raise cabs a bit higher. Not sure what works better.

And if you have a Mini 12+L cab, so do I :D I've learned to really appreciate that cab!
 
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Getting it of the floor can reduce some of the boom in the room, not necessarily a bad thing but it pays to go out front and listen to the mix. If you're going through the FOH it won't matter but if you rely on the amp for the house sound you'll need to check it from the audience perspective.

Because we very rarely don't go through FOH if I'm using and amp I'll lift it up or at least tilt it back so it's firing at me. For the last few years mainly using IEM so I alleviate the stage volume issues altogether.
 
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FeltTipPen said:
Hi Inara, what stand is that? Curious, as I shop stands I see some raise cabs a bit higher. Not sure what works better.

And if you have a Mini 12+L cab, so do I :D I've learned to really appreciate that cab!
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My stand is this one: On-Stage Stands RS7500 Tilt-back Tripod Amp Stand

If I were doing it again, I might pick something that can raise higher and tile back more. I chose this mostly for the fact that it's super compact. I Casey a single bass in a dual gig bag, and this stand plus a flat-folding bass stand for nicely in the other section. The amp stand goes in the neck area, and the bass stand in the body area.

Yes, it's a Mini 12+L, and I'll be ordering a second one from Jorg soon. I love it, and as you know it's super light at 19 pounds. Two of them will give me a 38 pound modular 212, which will be glorious. My current larger cab is a Bergantino AE410, which is fairly light for a 410 at a little over 60 pounds, and it sounds wonderful, but cutting about 25 pounds from it, plus having a modular rig, will really help. I don't have much upper body strength, and often have to get help to lift the 410 onto stages.
 
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Inara said:
My stand is this one: On-Stage Stands RS7500 Tilt-back Tripod Amp Stand

If I were doing it again, I might pick something that can raise higher and tile back more. I chose this mostly for the fact that it's super compact. I Casey a single bass in a dual gig bag, and this stand plus a flat-folding bass stand for nicely in the other section. The amp stand goes in the neck area, and the bass stand in the body area.

Yes, it's a Mini 12+L, and I'll be ordering a second one from Jorg soon. I love it, and as you know it's super light at 19 pounds. Two of them will give me a 38 pound modular 212, which will be glorious. My current larger cab is a Bergantino AE410, which is fairly light for a 410 at a little over 60 pounds, and it sounds wonderful, but cutting about 25 pounds from it, plus having a modular rig, will really help. I don't have much upper body strength, and often have to get help to lift the 410 onto stages.
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Thank you Inara, I'll take a look. Looking at Sweetwater IIRC some stands are more adjustable in height too.

Compact form factor is important to me too and weight, I'm pretty small! I only have that cab and a Genzler 10-2, which is also an amazing cab. I'm sure that a second Mini 12+L would be blissful! Jorg's a nice guy too!
 
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It's a question you should be able to answer. For the most part.
Far as your personal listening test.
Does it sound better? Does it help?
Have you expierenced tone loss.

Good thing is. This is a great excuse to buy another cab lol. Why use a empty box. Best stand for a cab is another cab.
Be awful if you mistakenly happened to plug that other cab in....oppps lol
 
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