Bass Cabinets??!!

[Wayne 3-13]

Im in a 3 piece band that plays music kinda simular to early chili peppers stuff (Mothers milk), but im struggling to compete with my guitarists Marshall mode 4.

At the moment Im running an Ampeg B2-RE Head through an 8 ohm Harkte VX410a cab but im constantly running my amp hot and losing clarity on stage as its on max. (only getting 250w@ 8 ohms i think).

My head can push out 450w @ 4oms so im not sure whether to just buy a new 4 ohm 4x10 or get something totally different to enhance my style/sound. (On stage presence/performance)

I've been looking at : Ampeg 610hlf, Mark Bass CL108

Any recomendations to Cab/ Speaker sizes?

Cheers,
Wayne

 

[heath_r_91]

I have the SVT-610HLF and I absolutely love it. It can take just about anything I've thrown at it (an SVT-4PRO in drop C). It has awsome lows that aren't boomy. I have also used it with my Ampeg B1-RE and I still loved it. It is a very loud cab, much better sounding and lighter than the 810 IMO. Although I haven't played through a markbass, I'd still vote for the 610hlf just because I cannot think of a way for the 6x10 to be better.



Especially look used at the 6x10, they generally go pretty cheap on craigslist/ebay.

 

[sleepy_monkey]

If you change cabs you should be fine.....HLF cabinets are the BOMB......literally.

 

[ErebusBass]

Have you thought about adding another 8 ohm cabinet? that might be cheaper. If you like the hartke, you could probably get a 2x10 or something for alot cheaper than a 4 ohm 6x10 or 8x10

 

[Guest043]

if you like the sound of your hartke..your not listening hard enough =p

but if you really do like the sound..id go with another 4x10..but your amp is only 450 watts at 4 ohms and thats really not that much..or not enough, rather.

and you mentioned a markbass cabinet, theyre okay..but not great. their amps are where they shine..

 

[Wayne 3-13]

For the style i play would everyone rule out me mixing a 1x15 and a 2x10?

 

[detracti]

Try upgrading your head first. There are a couple of Carvin heads, that would be relatively close to the price point of the B-2RE. The Genz Benz sutff gets rave reviews around here too.

See where you're at with a better head, and then go from there. A second Hartke VRX cab makes sense to me too.

 

[Wayne 3-13]

if you like the sound of your hartke..your not listening hard enough =p

but if you really do like the sound..id go with another 4x10..but your amp is only 450 watts at 4 ohms and thats really not that much..or not enough, rather.

and you mentioned a markbass cabinet, theyre okay..but not great. their amps are where they shine..

I thought Hartke wasnt up there regarding Pro quality to the likes of ampeg, Galien-Kruger etc

Is that what you mean by "Not listening hard enough" ?

 

[Wayne 3-13]

Any one know what kind of power could i run through a Ampeg 610HLF?
Any Head Suggestions that exceed my 450w Ampeg B2-RE?

 

[Bofee]

From what I've found in a quick search, the Marshall mode 4 your guitarist is running is 350 Watts. You'll probably need at least a kiloWatt, maybe more, and some serious speakers to keep up with that comfortably.

 

[Wayne 3-13]

kilowatt? Is that 1000w +?

If a Bass cab Says RMS power handling 600w, isnt that the max it will take?

 

[eff-clef]

The Ampeg svt 610hlf is a great speaker. I've had mine for about 4 or 5 years. It has been my main cab for medium to large bars/clubs ever since I've had it. Your Ampeg B2R would sound very good through it. I have used many amplifiers with it and they all sounded good. It is a very open sounding cabinet. It is loud and full sounding but not muddy. But I have to say that 610hlf has gone up in price alot since I bought mine( on sale at GC for $650.) If money is no object, then I would consider the Markbass C108. It is what I an considering getting. This summer the C106 (6x10) is going to be available at Guitar Center.

 

[GabeN]

You don't need a kilowatt (yes 1000watts) to keep up with a guitarist unless he's blasting that baby at maximum wattage through several cabinets. If you're looking to upgrade your head then I'd say GK since they're more aggressive and can cut through the mix better. Otherwise, I'd say you're on the right path with the SVT410HLF.

 

[eff-clef]

kilowatt? Is that 1000w +?

If a Bass cab Says RMS power handling 600w, isnt that the max it will take?

No. It means ROOT MEANS SQUARED. It pretty much means continuous power. The peak on the 610hlf is 1200 watts.

 

[Wayne 3-13]

No. It means ROOT MEANS SQUARED. It pretty much means continuous power. The peak on the 610hlf is 1200 watts.

Does that mean you can use something like a SVT -6 pro or a Gallien Kruger 2001RB with it that give off 1100watts?

 

[detracti]

As you approach full maximum volume, yes.

 

[hockey_head]

square waves kill speaks... an underpowered speak blows up or distorts easily. there are different opinions on this but i would say power a 600w speak cab with about 1000w power amp. hopefully you won't be using the 1000w, but when you are cranking 600, it will be clean power, free from amp distortion and square waves (clipping). a little limitting can be used on large power amps as speaker protection, that you won't notice soundwise. this can keep your speaks from jumping out of the cab like when you really whack the strings.
if your amp has limitting built-in or switched on when underpowering the cab, the power robbing (can't keep up) effect becomes evident.

 

[Connor]

if you like your sound, then get another 8-ohm cab to go with it. that will push 450 watts out of your head.

 

[RickenBoogie]

if you like your sound, then get another 8-ohm cab to go with it. that will push 450 watts out of your head.

Not just logical, but economical.

 

[anonymous101511]

adding a matching 4x10 cab is the way to go. I've tried using 15's and 10's together, but due to the differing frequency response, I never got the exact right sound out of either, since it was always a compromise to get them to sound OK together. if you bi-amp, that's another story and that can be really great, though more expensive, to be sure.
If you like the tone you have, adding another identical cab is the best way to make it louder.