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Bass Player Stage Presence

txbasschik said:
Aw honey, you really do need to check out Hank III. That man is all *over* the place! Most punk country dude ever.

Cherie
He he. The guys I play with think Hank Jr. is a bit over the top :D

tZer said:
What I do is get into my part and emulate what I feel by moving, smiling, making eye-contact with people in the crowd, my band mates, etc... You would be amazed at the effect you have by simply looking up, smiling and catching someone's eye!
I think I may have overstated my lack of movement. I do make eye contact and smile. I just need to run through the verse/chorus once or twice so I have the changes down. And I have to make eye contact with my bandmates or else I won't know where the solos end.

There are just some songs I have trouble getting the changes for, especially if the singer dosen't really know it :rollno:
 
There are just some songs I have trouble getting the changes for, especially if the singer dosen't really know it

Those times are the best times to lighten up and laugh a little. If you know you are heading for a tough part, laugh about it and act like you are heading for rapids on a river! Look up, eyes wide open, like, "Holy crap! Do you see those rocks!?" and dig in and paddle!

Just never let anything throw you or phase you. Now being well-rehearsed really helps things along, stage-presence-wise... If you really wanna have a great time, practice as often as you can so that the next time you are on stage you really DO have the confidence you need to turn on the crowd. THAT is what they respond to... the sense that the dudes on that stage know EXACTLY what they are doing and that they make it look fun and easy.

And you bandmates... when they see how much fun you are having and how much the crowd likes to see you having fun, they will want a peice of the action too. They will certainly take it up a notch and join in on the fun. Otherwise, what the hell are they doing there anyway? Are ya in a band to stress out more on life? Seems a little counter-intuitive.

Burn a CD with all your songs on it and listen to it a lot. That helps you mentally visualize the real players and what you would do.

Most important... have fun! and try to really have fun, not just act like it... have a beer... loosen up... don't take anything too seriously... you are at the show and there is nothing you can do about it now! Get up there and kick it!

--tz
 
tZer said:
Those times are the best times to lighten up and laugh a little. If you know you are heading for a tough part, laugh about it and act like you are heading for rapids on a river! Look up, eyes wide open, like, "Holy crap! Do you see those rocks!?" and dig in and paddle!

Just never let anything throw you or phase you. Now being well-rehearsed really helps things along, stage-presence-wise... If you really wanna have a great time, practice as often as you can so that the next time you are on stage you really DO have the confidence you need to turn on the crowd. THAT is what they respond to... the sense that the dudes on that stage know EXACTLY what they are doing and that they make it look fun and easy.

And you bandmates... when they see how much fun you are having and how much the crowd likes to see you having fun, they will want a peice of the action too. They will certainly take it up a notch and join in on the fun. Otherwise, what the hell are they doing there anyway? Are ya in a band to stress out more on life? Seems a little counter-intuitive.

Burn a CD with all your songs on it and listen to it a lot. That helps you mentally visualize the real players and what you would do.

Most important... have fun! and try to really have fun, not just act like it... have a beer... loosen up... don't take anything too seriously... you are at the show and there is nothing you can do about it now! Get up there and kick it!

--tz
Good advice. And I have already starting following it. I have a beer right beside me ;)
 
well, my band has gotten more comfortable with the tunes (originals) that we're playing and i don't like standing still. I've jumped off of drum risers and my amp (when it was a 115 combo) last gig had an area between the stage and the audience that was at a height between the two. so during one of the easiest sections of our easiest song, I got down there and just started slapping my part and getting in the audiences face, as well as water spouting at the audience. hit the same girl in the chest twice unintentionally.

the three songs that I sing in i tried to stay near the mike while still entertaining the crowd.
 
Generally my stage presence isn't a whole lot. Although the night before last night I was moving like a lunatic. It was the most people our band has played to and the stage was relatively roomy so I didn't need to worry about knocking into equipment. The crowd was electric as well and it all helped to be one of our better if not best show yet and my best gig in terms of stage presence.

Tonight on the other hand the crowd were very passive, don't really care what your doing up there type crowd, I was boxed into a corner and I ended up watching TV for most of the night which isnt good.

Playing covers that Im not at all into doesn't help. I do enjoy gigging and playing the songs its just I think they are mostly crap that I wouldn't actually go and see a band play myself. So movement tends to be sort of thought out rather than feeling it ("Oh, I should be headbanging or something for this part" type thing). Playing songs I like personally helps a lot.

If I were to go see a band I would rather see great musicians with no stage presence playing great music rather than a bunch of guys with loads of stage presence playing crap music. If there's both thats great but as long as the music is good I don't care for much else. But thats just me and not the general paying audience perspective

I would be as happy as larry(and from what I gather larry is a really happy guy) standing still in the shadows with a big dirty frown on my face belting out the tunes. However thats not what I should be doing ever really. So I try to avoid slipping into that as much as possible.As much as I like to gig I don't like being centre of attention.
 
I REALLY dont' get stage presence... whatever that is...

Everyone always talks about eye contact, how that's important... if someone is talking to me, eye contact is important... why would it be important if they were playing an instrument. And jumping around like a moron, that doesn't entertain me.

That said, I headbang sometimes, not too extreme.
 
Stage presence is very important. So is eye contact and crowd interaction. If you look like you are doing more than having your feet nailed to the floor the crowd feels like they are watching more then a jukebox. Not to mention you have to entertain the people in the club so they have a good time and come back.. cuz if your crowd goes out the door, then most likely your return bookings from the club owners will also be gone. I know when I am in the 'crowd' watching another band, I want to be entertained. A band is entertainment... and I try to contribute to that every night... and I will attempt to do that tonight as a matter of fact! :)

Just my 2 cents
:hyper:
 
Matt Till said:
I REALLY dont' get stage presence... whatever that is...

Everyone always talks about eye contact, how that's important... if someone is talking to me, eye contact is important... why would it be important if they were playing an instrument. And jumping around like a moron, that doesn't entertain me.

That said, I headbang sometimes, not too extreme.

Your big problem Matt, is that you are looking at things through YOUR eyes. You aren't a representative sample of a paying customer if you don't care about those things. I promise you that.

Let me state this as plainly as possible... .whether or not you personally are enteretained by me jumping around "like a moron" is completely and utterly irrelevant in every sense of the word. Other people are entertained by it, and impressing snobby musicians who wander into the venue isn't my job. Making girls with big boobies and nice round rear ends shake what their mother gave them... IS. And they are more likely to do that if I am entertaining them - because chances are, they aren't there to critique my flawless fretwork. Dig?
 
Originally Posted by Matt Till
I REALLY dont' get stage presence... whatever that is...

Everyone always talks about eye contact, how that's important... if someone is talking to me, eye contact is important... why would it be important if they were playing an instrument. And jumping around like a moron, that doesn't entertain me.

That said, I headbang sometimes, not too extreme.

Ok... not to pick on you, but an amazing thing happens when you make eye contact. There is a perceptible sensation - one you can actually feel in your body (and I would be willing to bet that with the proper electrodes, you could actually measure this sensation).

So, when you are looking in the crowd and you notice someone looking back one of two things can happen; 1) you can 'take charge of the moment and do something noticable like grin or shake your head and laugh - which will usually cause that person to grin or shake their head and laugh back or; 2) completly wimp out on the moment and quickly look back at the ground or your fretboard which will inevitably make whoever was looking at you feel like you are a scared little person who is not very comfortable or confident in what they are doing and lose control of the moment.

Since it is really so easy to take control and get a positive result, I always opt for #1. I mean honestly, all you need to do is NOT be the one to look away first - bear minimum - or simply bob you head as if you like what you are doing... And to this day, I have never gotten anything other then a very positive reaction from anyone - male or female. On the contrary... I have had dudes come up to me and tell me what a great bass player I am. And believe me, I am NOT... They were reacting to the show, not the play. I mean, come on... "All right now" by Bad Co. is only so hard and really does not require Jaco Pastorius to pull off. No offense, Bad Co. I love playing the song! And I have had ladies go so far as to bless me with a showing of their finer parts. Now, come on... do you really wanna be looking at your fretboard when that is going on in front of you? And to the lady bass players in the forum, my apologies, but this one of the job hazards we male bass players have to deal with every so often. I don't wanna be perceived as objectifying women here.

And I kid you not - ever since I made the conscious desicion to NOT LOOK DOWN and to NOT STAND STILL I have had nothing but a great time every time I play and have had positive crowd results EVERY TIME. It is a guaranteed result. If you look like you are having fun and are not scared, the crowd will wanna be near you.

Like they say about publicity; Any publicity, positive or negative, is good publicity. So any connectivity from you to the crowd is good connectivity. It takes a real ballsy jackass of a crowd member to try to bring on a bad vibe by 'dissing' the musician that is performing for them. And if they are that sort of a ballsy jackass of a crowd member anyway, who the hell cares what they think of you?

AND FINALLY (as you can see, I could go on forever on this topic)
When you are in the studio, the audience demands that you concentrate and execute your part perfectly. They do not care what you look like while you are doing it. They only care that what ends up on the final recording is really great to listen to. So, look down all you want and focus and concentrate, by all means, when you are there.

When you are on a stage, the play good thing is implied, but there is a very necessary second component that is of equal or more importance - that you be entertaining visually! They are physically there to SEE you. If all they wanted to do was hear you, they would stay home and put on the recording. So if you don't give them something to look at, you are ripping them off. Period.


--peas.
--tz
 
B-NoteCowboy said:
...Making girls with big boobies and nice round rear ends shake what their mother gave them... IS. And they are more likely to do that if I am entertaining them - because chances are, they aren't there to critique my flawless fretwork. Dig?...

...now there's an Okie that knows what the hell he's talkin' about! God bless you, Cowboy... :D
 
tZer said:
...And I have had ladies go so far as to bless me with a showing of their finer parts... And to the lady bass players in the forum, my apologies, but this one of the job hazards we male bass players have to deal with every so often...

Yeah... no kidding. There ain't nuthin' like getting bopped in the face by a pair of 38-DDs...

...is an injury resulting from something like that covered under Workman's Comp??? :D
 
chakah said:
Recently had a conversation with my guitar player about the bass player stage presence. I've seen some bass players in bands who just stand in the background and look at the fretboard or at the floor. Other bass players have been seen running around the stage trying to pump up the crowd.
Just wondering what you guys do. :bassist:


both.

depends on the song. on a couple songs we do, if i don't concentrate, i will get my ass handed to me, so i do look...but that doesn't preclude me moving around
on some songs, i'm all over the place, and i'm normally the only one moving, besides the drummer, soooo...guess who's the rock star wannabe?
:D
 
our bassist doesn't get to move around a lot; he's playing Chapman Stick, bass, keys, basspedals and running sound, frequently doing 4 of the 5 simultaneously. Sometimes he's singing too, so he tends to have to be in one spot most of the time. I think he'd like to move around more, but he's usually just too busy playing. Nobody seems to mind too much. They might be distracted by our bellydancing, Theremin-playing singer though.

I think it depends on the kind of venues you're playing, the crowds you work with, and the kind of music you're performing. Stage presence is definitely important, but it's relative to your personality as a band. Thank goodness for variety!