• TalkBass has been independent since 1998. Add your voice.
    Create a free account to reply to discussions, view embedded media, and browse with fewer display ads.
    Join free Log in
    Want zero display ads or expanded classifieds tools? Compare plans.

BBE Sonic Maximizer 411

#3
The BBE Sonic Maximizer is a dynamic treble EQ. As you get louder it boosts more. similar to using only the top section of the dbx IIIbx dynamic range expander from "the old days" So that it doesn't sound too shrieky, it has a fixed bass boost to fill the bottom end. They used to make all kinds of bizzare claims about them, but this was only because they didn't want to call it an EQ.

The problems with it are that if you don't have any treble you can't get any boost, and also it can create a LOT of treble boost - around 20 dB I think - so you can cause a dangerous increase in bass and treble levels. Watch out for your tweeters and clip levels!

Some people like them, but I find it hard to listen to.
 
#4
I have one in my rack. along with my World 1.2 & Alembic F1-X. I love it. I use it with Bag End S-15D & S-15XD, been using it for about 13 years.

It is designed to operate as a time alignment device: Standing away from your amp, low frequencies reach the ears at a different time than high frequencies. The 400 series of Sonic Maximizers was designed to affect the timing of frequencies that should in the end give the listener a more uniform sound- bass, mids & treble all reaching the ear in about the same time.

I like mine- looking forward to another 10+ years of service from it.
 
#5
cocobass said:
I have one in my rack. along with my World 1.2 & Alembic F1-X. I love it. I use it with Bag End S-15D & S-15XD, been using it for about 13 years.

It is designed to operate as a time alignment device: Standing away from your amp, low frequencies reach the ears at a different time than high frequencies. The 400 series of Sonic Maximizers was designed to affect the timing of frequencies that should in the end give the listener a more uniform sound- bass, mids & treble all reaching the ear in about the same time. (yeah, I know that the labeling is slightly different on the 411, but the "processing: is still just an eq control.)

I like mine- looking forward to another 10+ years of service from it.
Click to expand...

Well yeah, but how does BBE know how far away you are from your amp? I think there is a lot of poppycock going on, as the timing isn't even adjustable. What's that you say? "But it is adjustable w/ the Process & Lo-Contour controls!". Nope. They are just craftily labeled shelving controls, sorry. Even BBE's own spec sheets confirm this.

Does the BBE circuitry do some split-band time delaying? Yes, it looks like it does. In fact they bought out the original DBX circuit/patent that accomplishes this (as I understand). However, without knowing the distances being utilized by the end user, BBE can only guess at what they are aligning. This brings me to the conclusion that the end users are primarily hearing the amount of Low & High shelving eq that they dial in on the front panel.
 
#7
Instant EQ in a box. They really do work if you're dealing with marginal PA gear or need to add clarity. Its not for everybody and it not appropriate for every situation. Couple of repeating complaints:

*"High end sounds tinny, artificial, over-processed."

*"Mids sound scooped."

*"Meh...I can accomplish the same thing via a GEQ or PEQ."

So be it. When I do find it to be useful, I adjust / match the low contour with unaffected signal and boost the process no higher than 3 - 3.5....a little goes a long way. Proof of the pudding is in the pie: sit a willing volunteer 25' - 30' away from the source and play either some canned tracks or (god forbid) live tunes with the SM both in and out of the signal chain.

FTR, in PA applications, the SM should be placed in the L & R main inserts and not the Aux Send / Return. In bass rigs, it can be placed in either the effects loop or betweenst the preamp and power amp....YMMV.

Riis
 
#8
I own a 411 and I use it in my pa rack, even though I've read that this particular model was made to be used on the specific instrument level (i.e., in a bass rack). I used it in my bass rack for a while, bu did not care for the scooped mids, so I use it for the pa, where it seems to work fine.
 
#9
That's just it, I totally accept the "Instant EQ in a Box" description. That's exactly how it sounds to me, and how the controls actually work. It's a boost-only high and low shelving eq. Thus, the much-reported 'scooped mids' complaint. Can this be accomplished with eq? (And more than 90% likely the eq already on your amp head?) Yup.

As to the "time alignment", I guess, maybe. But I reiterate- what I believe most folks are hearing is the shiny smiley face eq treatment. Not phase-alignment chicanery.
 

Latest posts

Top Bottom
Back