SO the drummy in my band just bought one of these to use as a kick drum monitor. I'm thrilled that we'll have some real monitoring for every gig now but not to thrilled he bought a behringer. But the price was right I guess. ANybody out there have any experience with this piece, good or bad?.
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behringer b1500d powered sub???
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We are not looking for full range monitoring, we just want the kick to be loud enough for both of us to hear/feel with out the usual farting you get with a typical 10 or 12" wedge. I've been in other bands that had powered subs on stage for this very purpose and it was a real treat.
Its a misconception to think that kick drums are only sub frequencies, just as its a misconception to think that bass guitars are only sub frequencies.
There is a LOT of mid content to a kick drum, as well as some higher end for the slap of the attack.
Sorry, but a dedicated sub is not going to serve you well for that purpose.
There is a LOT of mid content to a kick drum, as well as some higher end for the slap of the attack.
Sorry, but a dedicated sub is not going to serve you well for that purpose.
I heard one of these at an outside event we played at last week. Quite poor. Thank goodness we had our own system. And yes the kick has a lot more than just thud. In fact it is the click part (IMO) that we need the most to help define the beats for our own timing esp. for me in my IEM..
I understand what you guys are saying about kick drum frequencies, but have any of you ever tried what I'm talking about? Like I said I've been in two different bands that used powered subs onstage for this purpose and it worked great and the drummer and I were able to lock in better because of it. Yea, its not the kick tone we want the audience to hear, but it served its purpose.
On the other hand drummy also has one of those newirish peavey 1200 watt powered 12" mains with the trick little "ribbon horn"(I think thats what its called) We tried using that as a kick monitor and it definitely was not working well. Our thoughts now are to use the powered sub and the peavey, with the peavey carrying all his MIDI trigger samples.
Just not sure how to go about it all. Would it be possible to go Kick drum mic>powered sub>powered peavey>board to help fill out the kick mids and then snare trigger>other channel on the peavey>board? Seems like it might work to me because the behringer has the built in high pass filter. But I'm no sound guy so......who knows?
Thanks for the help!
On the other hand drummy also has one of those newirish peavey 1200 watt powered 12" mains with the trick little "ribbon horn"(I think thats what its called) We tried using that as a kick monitor and it definitely was not working well. Our thoughts now are to use the powered sub and the peavey, with the peavey carrying all his MIDI trigger samples.
Just not sure how to go about it all. Would it be possible to go Kick drum mic>powered sub>powered peavey>board to help fill out the kick mids and then snare trigger>other channel on the peavey>board? Seems like it might work to me because the behringer has the built in high pass filter. But I'm no sound guy so......who knows?
Thanks for the help!
I was afraid of that. He said that sub got great reviews but if he would of asked me first I would of suggested staying away from the brand. Problem is, thats all the money he was willing to spend. I don't think there is another 1400 powered sub available for any where close to the price of the behringer. We'll see, might be sending it back.
Yes , it's called a Shaker
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And it won't spill all over the FOH sound and keep the stage level low.
Well if you can't hear the bass drum either he plays really soft or the band is too loud. Adding more noise to the mix probably will just make your band sound worse. I think they actually make a buttkicker for bass players.
Look, we play mainly bars and festivals. Occasionally we get to play a real music venue with serious/pro FOH support. Whenever this happens we have noticed that the drum monitors are massive. Sometimes 2 15", sometimes an 18". We love it, and obviously it doesn't cause too much of a bleed through issue for those sound guys. When I see pro bands live they usually have massive drum monitors, not some 10' wedge on the floor. Granted a lot of them are moving to IEM's. Not an option for us. Are all those pro bands too loud on stage? Are all those pro drummers playing too quite? I doubt it. If you think what we are trying to do is stupid, thats fine. Its not why I started this thread anyway. We are not amateurs, we are not pro's either but we have a good tight band and I'm just trying to make life easier for myself and my drummer. We play better when we have access to the kind of monitors we have seen and used in the real deal venues. Why is it so wrong to try and duplicate this for when we are stuck with tiny, underpowered wedges?
Reggae one drop style drumming doesn't work if the kick is not PHAT!!!!
jeesh.
Reggae one drop style drumming doesn't work if the kick is not PHAT!!!!
jeesh.
The shaker is a very nice solution for that very particular problem , that's EXACTLY why it has been invented , not only for IEM , but to give the physical feeling of a sub without the ear bleeding. You can have one too , it is sold as a little "riser".
I did not make that suggestion thinking you were amateurs , it works really well.
These Behringers are not very expensive so you can have one each ( or two)
Well they would probably need two because that sub wouldn't compare to something worth owning plus it will probably fail and you would need a spare while it was being fixed.The shaker is a very nice solution for that very particular problem , that's EXACTLY why it has been invented , not only for IEM , but to give the physical feeling of a sub without the ear bleeding. You can have one too , it is sold as a little "riser".
I did not make that suggestion thinking you were amateurs , it works really well.
(These Behringers are not very expensive so you can have one each or two)
Well we had three gigs over the last few days and I was pleasantly surprised with the behringer. It would be lackluster as a PA sub for sure, but on stage between me and the drummer at about half power it was doing what we wanted. If the thing lasts a year it will be well worth the dough and extra lifting and set up time. Thats a big IF I know.
Fwiw, my Behringer 15" powered mains have done 20+ 4 hour gigs this year and haven't missed a beat. They have been through the ringer for sure and have never let me down. We have been sending the full band through them, and I've been very happy with the thump that they have provided to the crowd. I am pleased enough that adding that very sub to our setup is in the plans. I know Behringer has a bad rap, but for my band, it's been the best purchase that we've ever made.
I've used a Behringer 450 head and the 4x15 cab for almost 3 years now. It has never missed a lick. I'm looking at moving on to an Acoustic or something, but the only thing currently wrong with the big-ass Behringer right now is that my cats are using it as a scratching post, so I'm going to buy some Tolex and re-cover it (and wrap the carpet around a 2x4 for the kitties).
1Drop - I wondered if you were still using it or happy with it? Did it last the sub last at least a year as you hoped it would? Maybe longer? Or something better?
Just curious...
Just curious...
Yep, well......the sub laster longer than the drummer did
We discovered using two kick mics worked well with one running to a small mixer then to the monitor sub and the other mic running to FOH. That particular sub seemed to have plenty of power for monitoring, it wasn't the prettiest tone, but it served our purpose.
