seamonkey said:
That's easy to do when you are willing to enter into multi million dollar settlements to get the plaintiff off your back.
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Behringer failure, saw it for myself...
- Thread starter Russell L
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That's easy to do when you are willing to enter into multi million dollar settlements to get the plaintiff off your back.
Hi.
I have seen high end stuff go up in smoke, as well as cheap stuff. And everything in between, up in smoke.
The difference (and gripe) with Behringer and other manufacturers who don't give out schematics and/or do conceal components is that most techs can and will repair anything they can get the schematic and parts to.
Is it worth to repair a 20-30 year old boat anchor of a mixing desk or an amplifier, that's for the owner to decide, but there's a chance to do so if one wants to.
Like said earlier in the thread, Thomann will pay for the shipping. Hell, a courier will most likely show up on Your door to pick it up if you want to. Thomann is very good that way.
And I'm not talking about their home turf Germany only either, the same goes for their entire business area AFAIK.
They also have 3 year warranty, hard to beat in these parts of the world.
Regards
Sam
I have seen high end stuff go up in smoke, as well as cheap stuff. And everything in between, up in smoke.
The difference (and gripe) with Behringer and other manufacturers who don't give out schematics and/or do conceal components is that most techs can and will repair anything they can get the schematic and parts to.
Is it worth to repair a 20-30 year old boat anchor of a mixing desk or an amplifier, that's for the owner to decide, but there's a chance to do so if one wants to.
Like said earlier in the thread, Thomann will pay for the shipping. Hell, a courier will most likely show up on Your door to pick it up if you want to. Thomann is very good that way.
And I'm not talking about their home turf Germany only either, the same goes for their entire business area AFAIK.
They also have 3 year warranty, hard to beat in these parts of the world.
Regards
Sam
I love my bass power amp. It runs well and delivers tone and power. I have already had the pre- amp replaced under warranty. It's back to 'normal' but I am spooked & wondering if I should have a spare. Who wants to schlepp a 50 lb spare around with them 'just in case'? But, stuff breaks.
Well, that the same amp has failed twice more for my friend. Friday night it blew a fuse. And again last night. He had a spare amp these times, though, so the show went on after a delay.
I'm sorry, but I just don't have much good to say about such poor quality.
I'm sorry, but I just don't have much good to say about such poor quality.
Hi.
Well...
Fuses do not blow for nothing repeatedly, so just perhaps it's not really the equipment that's to blame in here
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Regards
Sam
Well...
Fuses do not blow for nothing repeatedly, so just perhaps it's not really the equipment that's to blame in here
.Regards
Sam
Nope. Crown makes good stuff, and you don't hear of them dying as often.
My point is simply that when a product costs so little it may be due to being made of components that are not as durable as the next more costly item.
Again, not to be bashing the brand, it's just that you hear this story so often.
Perhaps I should drop the thread.
Yes, Crown makes good stuff, but there was a time when quite a few of the XTI series amps failed because of same internal data connection was broken, if I remember correctly. This was shortly after it hit the market.
I have a different hypothesis: since Behringer markets their products very cheaply, they become affordable by young musicians. Well, these young musicians don't treat the equipment the same as a seasoned pro. So maybe the reason for high failure reports is the mistreatment of the equipment by unexperienced users.
I have a different hypothesis: since Behringer markets their products very cheaply, they become affordable by young musicians. Well, these young musicians don't treat the equipment the same as a seasoned pro. So maybe the reason for high failure reports is the mistreatment of the equipment by unexperienced users.
Yes, Crown makes good stuff, but there was a time when quite a few of the XTI series amps failed because of same internal data connection was broken, if I remember correctly. This was shortly after it hit the market.
I have a different hypothesis: since Behringer markets their products very cheaply, they become affordable by young musicians. Well, these young musicians don't treat the equipment the same as a seasoned pro. So maybe the reason for high failure reports is the mistreatment of the equipment by unexperienced users.
Nah, that ain't it. The guy is 50s. Some things are just delicate.
You can beat this dead horse every which way, but in the end each person is going to decide if a piece of gear is worth it's price tag. Cheaper gear is cheap for a reason...and every manufacturer is going to have bad units make it to market. If you don't like their business practices, buy something else...nobody cares. Blanket statements are like political candidates....overly simplified and rarely bear any truth whatsoever.
My band processes 20 grand worth of PA with a Behringer DCX2496. You can't touch a DBX with the same feature set by spending twice as much. It's worked week in and week out for a couple years now...and we bought it used. Sure, it may fail some day, but we have an analog crossover to get us through the gig if necessary. If you gig on the road, gear will fail at some point, it's inevitable...whether you carry a backup depends on how much you trust your gear in the situations you use it in.
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My band processes 20 grand worth of PA with a Behringer DCX2496. You can't touch a DBX with the same feature set by spending twice as much. It's worked week in and week out for a couple years now...and we bought it used. Sure, it may fail some day, but we have an analog crossover to get us through the gig if necessary. If you gig on the road, gear will fail at some point, it's inevitable...whether you carry a backup depends on how much you trust your gear in the situations you use it in.
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You can beat this dead horse every which way, but in the end each person is going to decide if a piece of gear is worth it's price tag. Cheaper gear is cheap for a reason...and every manufacturer is going to have bad units make it to market. If you don't like their business practices, buy something else...nobody cares. Blanket statements are like political candidates....overly simplified and rarely bear any truth whatsoever.
My band processes 20 grand worth of PA with a Behringer DCX2496. You can't touch a DBX with the same feature set by spending twice as much. It's worked week in and week out for a couple years now...and we bought it used. Sure, it may fail some day, but we have an analog crossover to get us through the gig if necessary. If you gig on the road, gear will fail at some point, it's inevitable...whether you carry a backup depends on how much you trust your gear in the situations you use it in.
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Admittedly, I think you are right.
My point is that it's anecdotal evidence with a small sample size. Couple that with the rumor mill, and what have you got? Not much.
I'm not a Behringer apologist or advocate. I've got a couple of their compressor/limiters, and they work as advertised, no more, no less. I've used them for several years with no problems. YMMV and caveat emptor.
First gig with an old band, brand new Behringer PMP2000, second song, mixer killed itself.
When I started a new band and I was looking at powered mixers, I waited until I got my hands on a Yamaha 1000 watter. Never had a problem. Knock on wood.
I've also been using the Eurolive B15A powered speakers for over a year and a half- about 100 gigs with no issues. I've also used the Ultrabass 3000T bass amp head for about 8 years with no issues other than the little light going out on the meter. I hope I didn't just jinx the stuff!!
