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Best cheap mic for a bass cab

I am surprised nobody has forced the DI issue, but if you are playing bar gigs, getting your "tube tone" out to the PA will not be worth the trouble, unless your sound is extreme.
I would recommend a DI -- cheaper, easier to control, and it's what most of the weekend warriors use if stage volume doesn't cover it.

In my opinion of course. :)
 
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Okay kids, it's time to talk about what a set of the sort of tools used by grown ups costs.

A microphone pretty much costs the same as a bass guitar. At the very bottom of the spectrum you can get in to something for about 100 bucks. Almost everything available at this price point is pure garbage that no one who does this sort of thing for a living would use. Interspersed with that are a handful of solid utility pieces that do a fine job for what they are.

See the SM57/58 or the SX or Squier Jazz bass copies. With some ingenuity these things can be modded to punch well above their weight, take a look at Oktava mics if you want to get in to that.

As things get more expensive you see less junk and more usable stuff, by the time you are at a price point of four or five hundred bucks things have settled down to a reasonable standard of quality. These are your Heils or EVs or Beyers. About comparable to a Mexican Fender or ESP Ltd or whatever. Nothing you are going to hand down to your grandchildren but good solid tools.

After a grand you are getting in to the nice stuff. The C414 is probably held in the same sort of regard as a US P bass.

Then you get in to the nice stuff. Neumann, Royer, Bock. These are the analogues of the Pedullas and Tobias' and Alembics of the world, and they cost 3 or 4 or 5 or 10 grand. That's expensive. More than I care to spend anyway.

The notion that suggesting someone needs to spend more than 100 bucks to get a decent mic is no more absurd or elitist or whatever than suggesting that someone who spends a lot of time gigging might want to have a look at something pricier than an SX.

An RE20 is not an expensive mic. For the utility you can get out of one of those things it is one of the best bargains in pro audio. Awesome mic, for all kinds of things, and only four hundred bucks brand new.

There are ways to be helpful without being condescending.
I'm not a kid, and don't lecture me on what "grown-ups" do, capice?

I don't do this for a living. I play 4-5 bar gigs a month with friends. I just want a good bass sound to send to our PA and sub. It doesn't have to be studio quality, and I'm not playing "pro" level gigs here. But I'm certainly not dropping a similar amount of coin to what I paid for my bass, or my amp for that matter.

To everyone else, thanks for your input.
 
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Hi.

There are ways to be helpful without being condescending.
I'm not a kid, and don't lecture me on what "grown-ups" do, capice?

Don't sweat it, I sure as hell won't, it's just his way of putting it.

Just try to concentrate on the knowledge, and filter out the misinformation and arrogance.
It's sometimes a hard thing to accomplish on internet, but doable.

Regards
Sam
 
Okay.

You guys are very, very sensitive.

I am sorry I have hurt your feelings. Puppy dogs and rainbows.

Do not allow my internet curmudgeon persona to detract from the fact that I'm right. Any solution at that price point is so marginal that you are going to end up with a 150 dollar mic with about as much long term utility as any number of 80 dollar mics.

Or you can get an RE20, a Senn 421, a Beyer M88, or maybe a Heil PR40 and have a 400 dollar mic with as much long term utility as any number of 1500 dollar mics.

I do this stuff for a living. If the OP wants to drive from Rhode Island to Holyoke MA he can borrow an old RE20 from me while he saves up for a month or two to get his own.
 
In my experience, both mixing and playing bass, on a budget, honestly the SM57 or 58 WILL do the job, and do it reasonably well. MUCH better than most kick mics. The e602 mid scoop isn't so bad, as compared to the Shure beta52, AKG D112 etc.
If you can find one, an audio technica atm25 (discontinued i think) usually goes pretty cheap. They are really quite tasty on a bass cab.

all IMHO of course.

-RTK
 
From the perspective that the OP was looking for a mic under $200, and doing a quick google search, the D112 seemed to be the mic that fit the cost parameters, and provided some adequate ability to reproduce bass guitar. I have used SM57's when I was a kid (no offense meant, I just haven't ever HAD to use a 57 on a bass since the 80's) and once I had the good fortune of using an RE20, I bought one and never looked back.

I did however, put that mic to the side and primarily use DI's because the sound guys I used after the 80's didn't really know what to do with a mic'd signal. And also because my tonal tastes moved away from being a T-Bird/Ampeg type hard rock bassist into being a cleaner solid state tone guy. I no longer wanted the tube grind unless I wanted to call it up for a song.

At that time, I did play for a living and immediately after giving up the playing road as a means of full time employment, got into pro audio contracting industry as a system designer and lead technician working my way to being the GM at my current company. IMLTHO, I would not use a 57 for live bass, I would use a DI. Maybe you want that ratty tone because it's what you like, OK, who am I to tell you how to translate what's in your head. I also only use my RE20 in a studio situation anymore. As mentioned the knowledge level and experience level of the majority of the live FOH guys I have worked with since the mid-90's has dropped like a rock, so I prefer controlling what the audience hears (besides the mostly 80HZ and freqs below that the FOH guy is using).

So my answer to this thread would be....If you can't afford a good mic but like the non-hifi bass sound, a 57 would work. If you prefer the cleaner hifi bass tone and can't afford a good mic, buy a DI. If you play in a modern metal or modern punk band, buy the 57, who in those venues might ever notice the difference. If you are playing fusion, country, jazz, pop, gospel, or just love that Level 42/Marcus Miller/Tal W type tone, go with a nice mic or a nice DI, but a 57 probably is not your better choice over a DI. But...if I couldn't afford a good mic, and did not already have a spare SM57 laying in the bottom of my mic bag....I would not go out and buy one. I would buy a nice passive DI box (made by a company that does not begin with "B"), and save the other $50 to $75 bucks in the bank until I could afford a better quality mic for your bass rig such as an RE20.

Make sense? I know there are plenty of guys out there that can't seem/don't know to get anything out of the AKG D112, so they might as well just use a 57, I'm good with that. I do own an RE20, s obviously no issue there, but I couldn't find a used one for under $200 and I could find a D112.

I've also had lengthy diatribes on other threads that if you can't afford an RE20, I would only use a DI. And I would certainly rather use a non-"B" made DI than a 57 until I could afford a good bass mic, so please save you gas from driving to MA and just drop the $30 on a Rapco DB-1 until then.

But I also understand Malumutes frustrated postured response. Some of us that do this, even though we don't pay for a living anymore, we've been to places, done some gigs...that 95% of the guys here will never get to experience. We offer our truly learned knowledge to assist those not in the know. Some of us are at times, blunter and more sarcastic than we need to be. It truly amazes our sense of "if you're going to do it...do it right" approach to our music, that you guys don't spend what we do on our gear. You'll buy a nice bass and rig, but when it comes time to drop money on the rest of the weakest link in the signal chain, many wimp out and aren't going to invest that kind of money. Maybe you thought you needed a new GPS for your boat, wanted to put some pinstripes on your pickup or tats on your ass...whatever. For the more impassioned players, we invest in the best we can lay our hands on.

That said....do I make more money when I use an RE20 instead of my DI...F*ck No! Do I make more money using my DI instead of an SM57...no again, it has nothing to do with the sound of my bass, it has everything to do with the band I'm playing in and the music we play. The many many 1,000's I am lucky enough to play for every year couldn't care less about my/your bass sound as long as it doesn't suck. They really just want to hear me/us sing and shake my/our ass.
 
DI is a must IMO. For bar gigs many mics can do the job very well. I'm just not the type to bring a 414 to a bar gig, I just don't see the need for it.

IMO 57, 421, re-20 are all very cool in combination with a DI signal.
 
My RE20 was 200 bucks on craigslist. Don't know what to tell you. Buying stuff at Guitar Center is for suckers.

You got lucky. ;) I searched for one for a while for a decently priced used RE20 before buying my Heil PR40. It's pretty darn close to the RE20 and has served me well, plus it's not as bulky as the RE20 and fits on my short stand better for mic'ing my cab live.
 
If you want something for high SPL cabs, for cheap ( some will disagree ) but I prefer the Sennheiser e609 Guir cab mic. ($110) This gives the cheapest, cleanest, natural sound. I love this mic for almost anything - especially amplified sounds. It goes to 40Hz which is fine for live bass usually - It has a wider pickup spread than a 57,

Ex: if you plop a 57 a little too close to the middle or outside of a cone on a speaker you can alter the sound quite a bit. With this you dont have to be anal retentive about the placement - set it and forget it. In a live setting if the E609 mic gets bumped into a little it will have almost the same sound . Its better for getting an overall sound of a whole cab. There are obviously better mics, and high SPL kick drum mics, etc but if its preservation of tone you want, kick mics dont do it as well as this -IMHO. - oh yeah you also dont need a stand, just wrap the mic cable around the top of the handle on your cab or trap it around the feet of the amp that sits on ur cab and hang it in front of the cab. pretty cool.
 
I was just doing some demo recording for the cover band two weeks ago. The guitar player wanted to use his e609 and so I recorded each take with two tracks, e609 and sm57. Try as I might, I couldn't get the sm57 to have the pleasant midrange "bite" that the sennheiser did. That's on elec. guitar not bass but since I compared them side by side I figured I should chime in.

Morgan