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Thanks, Frank! One thing I wish was taught and emphasized more at Belmont (and a lot of Music Schools) is strategy for building your career. I think Zoro (who is on Belmont's Drum Faculty) did a splendid job with his book The Big Gig
http://www.amazon.com/The-Big-Gig-Big-Picture-Thinking/dp/0739082434
He actually taught a class based on the book. I so wish someone had taught me some of his strategies when I first moved to Nashville fresh out of Grad School.
Belmont is not cheap in that it's a private college. It's not as expensive as Berklee, U of M or Musicians Institute, but not as inexpensive as state schools. There are some great state schools and a possible strategy is to attend one of those and attend your Dream School as a Grad Student (maybe even a Grad Assistant with Tuition Waiver/Reduction). It was the only way I could afford to attend The University of Miami when I did. If at all possible, try to avoid carrying a massive student loan debt any way you can. A lot of the Service Bands (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines) offer tuition reimbursement/student loan payoffs as perks for the gig and commitment. Pacman (one of the Talkbass Moderators) can answer more questions about that since he spent a significant part of his career in Army and Air Force Bands.
Trying to make a start at an career with wildly fluctuating incomes like the Music Business with 6 figures in Student Loans seems like a recipe for heartbreak to me.

Absolutely! I was lucky in that Belmont didn't cost nearly as much when I attended the school. Even with the Music Biz classes I took there, I didn't really learn practical knowledge of how "The Row" works. Knowing how to legally protect yourself as a musician is integral in my mind. I didn't learn how to do that, or protect my intellectual property until I hit Music Row and worked here for 13 years. Anything contract related isn't really taught to musicians either, and that can result in signing things you might regret later. Like Dr. Harrington (used to be Belmont), I've taken a great interest in how this machine works so I can make it work in my favor. I've heard the worst stories about what can happen, but now I know how to avoid those situations. The saddest story was from a musician who was in a band here, and when they went in to the studio to record an album with a producer and record company, the lead singer was the only person they were really interested in. Instead of just being honest with the band, said producer made them record their parts over and over again until they were nearly clinically insane. Then, they took the lead singer. As a result, the musician I know had a 10 year long fear of studio recording as that experience made him question his own musical abilities. It can be a rough business to be in due to practices like I mentioned, but if a musician can recognize these less than moral tactics, they can escape them before they happen. If it smells fishy, it probably is!
 
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Try your best to refrain from jokes/ insults here:

I'm a 15 year old bassist, I practice 6 hours a day, I'm probably on the higher side of intermediate (Dream Theater, Mr. Bungle,etc) and I've been playing for two years. My goal here is to go to music college and become a session musician. I get straight A's and the occasional B at school, taking honors and AP classes. So I ask you these questions:

what is a good music school to be a session bassist?

How hard is it to get into that school?

How hard is it to get a scholarship to that school?

What can I do to make a more successful career playing music?

Thanks in advance for answers, and please try not to joke about low pay/ insult me for wanting to pursue the "rock star" career. :bassist:

Hey man,
Here in LA seems like everyone I play with and a lot of the real amazing players have went to Berklee, North Texas State, or CalArts. Some ppl have mentioned The New School. I know theres a few that have gone to the Monk Institute at USC, I believe thats a masters program. I'm a Berklee grad, and 2 of my former students are Berklee grads. I can vouch for Berklee as being an amazing experience, as my students will as well. I also play with a lot of great players from CalArts. I know Berklee and CalArts are quite expensive, so its worth ur while to find out what scholarships and grants are avail. Student Loans help too. Good luck with all. -d
www.basslessonslosangeles.com
 
All sage advice above for sure - Keep in mind, that all dreams have a financial component - otherwise it's pure fantasy!

Plan B =
Consider (local) in state colleges to reduce tuition, books and living expense
Consider a back up degree - don't put all your eggs in one basket
Consider music programs that teach the music business
Consider you current/future access to funds (savings, trusts, parents, family) -
Ideally you should not rely on student loans to fund your education - With that said - if you do head down that path - Have a solid plan for repaying them before you take out a student loan.
By solid I mean - How will you pay it off if you don't have a job or my job pays too little? Have a well thought out answer to this question.

Plan A =
Full ride scholarship
 
I'm a current Berklee student. Simply put Berklee isn't what it used to be, 5, 10, or 15 years ago, and I would highly recommend you take your money and time elsewhere. The current president runs the school as a business to the extent that they have structured the curriculum to keep students here longer and make them pay more.

The standards held for students are also fairly low nowadays. I have friends who practice 20 minutes a day and have A's in their classes. That's not how it should be at a school like this. Its a good place to be for a little while, but only if you can afford it without compromise and are very very careful with who you study with. I've had such a poor experience with the school that I'm dropping it next semester to learn to actually play bass better.

This probably isn't a stellar analogy, but this school is like paying Mercedes money for a Kia. Scholarships also are more or less a mystery within the students. No one knows how to get them. I'm a decent player, not the top or bottom. I know more people who can barely play with scholarships than those on top.

The people who are amazingly good bassists at Berklee typically were already good before they got here.

Again though, this is my experience and if others who are current students have different ones then all the power to you.
 
Granted, I shelved my music career ambitions while in high school. My stand mate (cello) in the community orchestra -- same age -- was so much better than me, and more serious about practicing, that I had to re-assess whether I would ever be good enough. So I majored in math. I was the top math student at my high school.

But as a parent, I'm not entirely detached from an interest in music education. In my view, young electric bassists face a pitfall: Getting a teacher who will prepare you for college is a crap shoot. In contrast, every student who takes lessons on an orchestral instrument receives what amounts to college preparatory instruction. That includes upright bass. The teachers mostly have college degrees. Also, those kids get a chance to measure themselves against their peers by playing in youth orchestras, competitions, and summer camps.

So, it makes a lot of sense to find a teacher who can help you prepare for college, and who will provide a frank assessment of your chances.

To the music teachers: What are the skills that are considered necessary to study music at a college level? I assume that would include being prepared for the regular music courses, taking lessons, and playing in ensembles.
 
To the music teachers: What are the skills that are considered necessary to study music at a college level? I assume that would include being prepared for the regular music courses, taking lessons, and playing in ensembles.
Here's what I try to teach to prospective Music Majors at UNT, U of M, Berklee, MTSU and Belmont:
Reading of the level of the Bach Cello Suites, the Real Book (bass clef), Standing in the Shadows of Motown or the like
A decent Jazz Concept as laid out in The Evolving Bassist (Rufus Reid) or The Improvisor's Bass Method (Chuck Sher)
A working knowledge of ii-V-I progressions in tunes such as Blue Bossa, Autumn Leaves or the like. Chord arpeggios up to the 13th, modes of major, melodic minor and harmonic minor and inversions of pentatonic scales.
Representative work by Jaco Pastorius, Stanley Clarke, Marcus Miller, John Pattitucci, Victor Wooten, etc.
Some experience on Double Bass (I use the Progressive Repertoire by George Vance Vols,1-3, Vade Mecum, Simandl Vols. I and II and the aforementioned Evolving Bassist by Rufus Reid) is a very good idea. I also recommend that any prospective Music Major take piano lessons before they attend college. I did and I never regretted it.
 
Roy, thanks. I don't think it's been laid down as succinctly for electric bassists anywhere. I don't play electric as much any more, but I think kids studying any instrument deserve to know what a college preparatory training looks like.
 
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A good music school is not only needed for the educational theory part. But even more so, it is a place to make the "connections" that you will need... The whole industry is more about "connections and networking" than it is about how much theory that you may know... So pick wisely.
 
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I'm a current student at The New School for Jazz and Contemporary Music. It's a solid program that I would recommend applying to if you have an interest in studying jazz. The program is small so it's not the easiest one to get into but I'm pretty sure most of what they look for is if you have basic knowledge of jazz vocabulary and if you can walk a swingin' bassline. The teachers range but my experience with private lessons has been great. I transferred from Berklee, which is also a solid school though as a previous poster said they're kind of run as more of a business then a school. Also they have this whole rating system thing which is kind of silly IMO.
 
Try your best to refrain from jokes/ insults here:

I'm a 15 year old bassist, I practice 6 hours a day, I'm probably on the higher side of intermediate (Dream Theater, Mr. Bungle,etc) and I've been playing for two years. My goal here is to go to music college and become a session musician. I get straight A's and the occasional B at school, taking honors and AP classes. So I ask you these questions:

what is a good music school to be a session bassist?

How hard is it to get into that school?

How hard is it to get a scholarship to that school?

What can I do to make a more successful career playing music?

Thanks in advance for answers, and please try not to joke about low pay/ insult me for wanting to pursue the "rock star" career. :bassist:
Here's a few great music programs:
Berklee
UNT
University of Miami
Cal Arts
The New School
NEC
LAMA
 
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(Before I present my opinion to you I'd like to clarify that I am not majoring in music, and so my opinion might not have as much weight as the others in this thread.)

Obviously Berklee is a popular choice, and for good reason. However, as others have mentioned, it's very expensive and a degree from Berklee does not necessarily guarantee success in the music business (hell, a degree from anywhere doesn't guarantee anything).

As stated above, I'm not majoring in music, but a friend of mine is...I'd like to share his experience with you if you don't mind.

My friend, Joseph, is an insanely talented jazz drummer and an all around good person. He not only knows how to drum like a madman, but he's also handsome, very charismatic, and a natural at interacting with bandmates and the audience. He's also a fairly smart kid to boot...the full package.

When Joe was shopping around for colleges he applied to Berklee--and subsequently got in--but he's not going there. I was shocked at his decision because I always thought that Berklee was the "end all be all" so to speak of music schools. When I asked him why he opted not to go to Berklee he said it was because A) it was too expensive for him and his family B) he knew the education at Berklee would be good, but he wasn't sure it was worth the cost and C) going to Berklee wouldn't exactly guarantee he'd find success in the music industry. His exact quote was more along the lines of, "...the people in Boston are probably sick of college kid bands. I want to be successful in a band setting, and I don't think living and playing in Boston (and going to Berklee) is going to help me do that." Instead he's attending a cheaper--and in his opinion equally good--college in Pennsylvania (The University of the Arts in Philadelphia), and he even got himself a scholarship.

I think this is along the lines of what other people on here have been saying...Berklee is great, but is it worth it? In the end run will it propel your career that much further.

Another friend of mine, Julia,--a certified genius academically, as well as a gifted singer (in Joe's band coincidentally)--is going to the University of Virginia (which I mention because I noticed you're from Northern Virginia, which is also where I currently live). She's actually majoring in biomedical engineering, but she recently told me she was thinking of adding music as a second major. To me this is the way to go...she's passionate about her degree in biomedical engineering--and she knows it will help land her a good job--but she doesn't want to completely sacrifice her music passion either. From your description of yourself--straight A's, AP classes--you sound a lot like her, the only difference being she doesn't want music to be her main career goal. I wouldn't hesitate to attend an excellent school with a good reputation (like UVA) and major in something like engineering etc. and maybe minor (or double major) in music. That way you're still pursuing your musical passion while also preparing yourself for another career (just in case your music career doesn't work out).

I know I'm sounding pessimistic, but I'd prefer to call it "realistic paranoia." It's the same reason I'm majoring in journalism instead of english/creative writing. They both center around writing (which I'd consider my main passion, music being my second), but one's considered a "career" while the other is considered a "hobby" (until you publish a best-selling novel ;)). It's always good to have a backup plan...if you could find a good school in Virginia that could give you a satisfactory education in both music and another area of study I'd suggest doing that...you can by a hell of a lot of gear on an engineer's salary.

For now I'd just focus on getting good grades (at fifteen you're going into your sophomore year, right?) and continue practicing your bass. I know, I know, it sounds like cliché motherly advice (which I'm not really qualified to give, seeing as I only just graduated high school), but it helps.

Keep practicing, keep studying, and good luck in your future endeavors. I hope to see a follow up to this thread in 3 years when you're set to graduate. :thumbsup: