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Best preamp for testing tubes

Okay, here's an update. First off, I think that the Kern wins the competition hands down as to the easiest preamp to test tubes in. First off, the tubes can be accessed from the rear of the unit, without having to remove the top panel. This is true for the Read Purity, too, but the tubes themselves stick out a bit further on the Kern than on the Read, which makes them easier to change (but perhaps more susceptible to damage). At any rate, this worked out well for my purposes, and besides that, the Kern is a unit which lets you hear the differences between the tubes fairly well.

I plan on gigging with my Kern on Saturday, so I wanted to give it something better to work with than the Sovtek 12AX7WXT+'s that were in there (I find these to be full and punchy, but somewhat limited in frequency response both high and low, and they are not particularly clear sounding; the lows are a bit sloppy compared to the rest, too, but I could hear these working well if you needed a more full tone or more punch). I didn't run down every tube in my arsenal, but I did try the following NOS tubes:

Telefunken ECC83 (smooth plates)
JAN Philips 12AX7WA
JAN GE 12AX7WA (maybe the same as the Philips?)
JAN GE 5751
GE 5-Star 5751
JAN Philips 12AT7WC black plates
JAN Sylvania 12AT7WC (again, appears to be the same as the Philips)
Mullard CV4024

I was able to test pairs of most of these, with the exception of the JAN Philips/GE 12AX7WA's (which appear to be the same tube) and the JAN Philips/Sylvania 12AT7WC's (which also appear to be the same tube). The 12AU7 tube that was in the Kern was the JAN Philips 5814A, and it seems like a fine tube, so I haven't tried swapping out anything different (yet!).

In tests like this, the Telefunkens are usually my "gold standard" for NOS tubes (with the JJ's serving this role for new production bottles). As expected, the Tele's sounded great. They are well balanced; full and robust, yet articulate; and they have the most harmonic content of any of the tubes I tested.

I have found myself really liking the GE 5-Star 5751's in a variety of preamps, and the Kern was no exception. This tube was very impressive and had even tighter lows than the Tele's. It had good balance; good harmonic content (not quite the Tele's level); clear yet full tone; but wasn't quite as "exciting" or robust as the JAN Philips/GE 12AX7WA. A top contender, for sure.

The "regular" JAN GE 5751 was a very strong performer also, though not quite as impressive as the 5-Stars. It is a sold performer, and is very well balanced, tonally (perhaps the best in this regard) and was again full yet articulate.

The Mullard CV4024 is a tube that I have come to admire, and it can work miracles in some preamps (my Chandler Tube Drive loves it), but I don't think it was a good fit for the Kern. For whatever reason, it comes across as not very well balanced, with a definite favoring of the upper mids. It is a very clear sounding tube, though.

The JAN Philips/GE 12AT7WC black plates were very impressive, and sounded much like a cross between the GE 5-Star 5751's and the JAN GE 5751's. Very good tube.

But, I must say that the JAN Philips/GE 12AX7WA's stole the show. These tubes just sounded awesome. They are much like the Telefunkens in overall tonal presentation (with very, very close to the same complex harmonic content), yet were as tight and full in the lows as the GE 5-Stars, but yet more robust and articulate overall than either the Tele's or the GE's. Very full sound, too, and a natural presentation. At least in the Kern, these tubes rawk!

I probably would have been more than happy with most of the above tubes, and in the Kern, it ultimately came down to the JAN Philips/GE 12AX7WA's, the Telefunkens, or the GE 5-Stars, with the 12AX7WA's nudging ahead at the end. If I were looking for a bit less output from my preamp (which was not the case with the Kern), the JAN Philips 12AT7WC black plates would be a top contender (as would the Mullard normally be - in the right preamp).

At any rate, it's late (past 2:00AM), and I think I'm ready for bed... :)

Later, Tom.
 
Great review, Tom!

I really like the Jan Philips 12AX7WA in my Demeter.

I can get a very tight & punchy tone with good solid low end that cuts through very well in the mix or a more open & natural/organic type tone that sounds really good for solo stuff.
They seem to have a good balance of harmonic content, tonal balance, and articulation.

Thanks again, Tom.
 
carl-anton said:
Thanks Tom. As allways, a very interesting read :) I'm still liking my GE 5751, especially the way it sounds in the mix. That's perhaps were a tube shows off it's characteristics the best.

I think you are right. I haven't gigged with the GE 5751's (5-Star or otherwise), but as I was listening to them, that was indeed one of my thoughts - that this would sit well in a mix. It's not too this or too that, and it offers a very solid presence with full tone, yet good articulation. The JAN GE was a bit more unobtrusive, even, while the 5-Star 5751's had a bit more sparkle and character. But either would sit well in a mix, I think.
 
tombowlus said:
...as I was listening to them, that was indeed one of my thoughts - that this would sit well in a mix. It's not too this or too that, and it offers a very solid presence with full tone, yet good articulation.

Excactly. Solid and full bodied, and yet detailed and open. Warmth also comes across better in the mix. Funny though, I think the sound is changing a little (for the better). It's like the tube gets more warm bass. Loosens up a little, like it's having a break in period. It's a graduate change from since I installed it up till now. Does NOS tubes have a break in time?
The sound is not changing during a gig or session as a result of warming up (or other components warming up). It's just becomming more and more plesant sounding during the month I had it. Maybe it's just it's particular sound that is growing on me.
 
carl-anton said:
Excactly. Solid and full bodied, and yet detailed and open. Warmth also comes across better in the mix. Funny though, I think the sound is changing a little (for the better). It's like the tube gets more warm bass. Loosens up a little, like it's having a break in period. It's a graduate change from since I installed it up till now. Does NOS tubes have a break in time?
The sound is not changing during a gig or session as a result of warming up (or other components warming up). It's just becomming more and more plesant sounding during the month I had it. Maybe it's just it's particular sound that is growing on me.

Others may know more, but I wouldn't expect the tone of the tube to change much - unless it had really never been fired up before you got it, but I'd think that any change would occur pretty quickly). My guess is that your ears are getting more used to it. But again, this is a topic on which I just don't know the answer. Perhaps those with more knowledge will chime in...

Tom.
 
cheezewiz said:
I promise I won't be a jerk like I am in the "off topic" forum. ;)

Hmmm... I wasn't aware of any such comments on your part, but that's because I don't spend much time in that forum. Maybe, I'll have to go read some of your "finer quotes", eh? :D

If I can get the wife and kids out of the house for weekend, I'll give you a call!

Tom.
 
tombowlus said:
Hmmm... I wasn't aware of any such comments on your part, but that's because I don't spend much time in that forum. Maybe, I'll have to go read some of your "finer quotes", eh? :D

If I can get the wife and kids out of the house for weekend, I'll give you a call!

Tom.

LOL....well...I tend to antagonize a few of the kiddies once in a while. Its all in good fun though.
 
jsbarber said:
Tom:

I may have missed the point here, but if you've got all these tubes and you've got all these tube amps, why not just figure out which tubes sound good in which amps? Isn't that how your going to use them?

Jim

Well, the dilemma is that with all this gear and all these tubes, to try out evey tube in every piece is just impracticable. So, my hopes were to use one preamp as a "test mule" and then get a ballpark idea of the characteristics of a given tube, so that when I am trying to tweak a piece of tube gear to be either a little tighter in the lows, a little more focused in the mids, a little more shimmery on top, etc., I have some idea of which tubes to start trying first. I do agree, though, it is all about what tube sounds best in what application. But I'm just looking to help establish a good starting point.

Tom.
 
While on the topic of optimizing tubes to units, I don't know if you'd have the time, but I would take a wild guess that probably the most different preamp circuit from the Kern, might be the Navigator.

You might try a few of the top tubes from the Kern testing in the Nav just to see if there's some unusual synergy or that the originally observered characteristics are still evident.

The Dem 201S has a similar tone stack to the Kern, but a fairly dissimilar overall sound. It might be a good candidate for a similar mini-check (if you leave the cover off while testing, just make sure there's no children around -- there are some high voltages in there).