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BEWARE: The Ken Smith from Guitar Center

I recently purchased a Ken Smith BSR6 from Guitar Center. While I initially liked the bass, it came with multiple issues that made the whole experience incredibly frustrating and disappointing. I paid $4.6k after taxes, and for that kind of money—even if it's a used instrument—I expected something in far better condition.

First off, it arrived without a case, wrapped in only a single layer of bubble wrap, and shipped in a Squier box. That alone should have been a red flag. When I opened it, I found the action absurdly high, like skyscraper-level high. There was also a huge ding between the pickups, almost like someone had dug into the wood with their fingernail. The bass arrived filthy with gunk everywhere, and on top of that, someone had engraved their name on the side of the bass. It says: Pokey Mason Jay

Now here's the wild part. Guitar Center listed the condition as Great. But let me be clear—this was far from great. Some people might say, "Well, it's used, what do you expect?" But at $4.6k, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that a high-end bass would be thoroughly inspected and disclosed properly. This isn't a cheap entry-level instrument. Any bass over $1k—let alone a boutique Ken Smith—should arrive in better condition, with full transparency about its issues.

To make matters worse, the bass did not work in passive mode when it arrived. I tried contacting Guitar Center live chat, and there was no response. Then I emailed them, and nothing. Two weeks later, there was no response despite their promise of a 24-hour response window. Funny how they respond quickly when you're ready to buy, but completely ghost you when there's a problem.

Eventually, I went into a local Guitar Center to return the bass. One of the reps was apologetic and said they'd have their tech take a look. Long story short: the preamp was damaged, likely during shipping, according to them. They told me they'd have to order the part from Ken Smith directly, so there was nothing they could do for me.

I was devastated. In the short time I had it, I had grown attached to that bass—it had the perfect weight, and despite everything, it had some sentimental value.

I ended up returning it. But here's the kicker, they reposted the bass for sale with none of the issues disclosed. No mention of the preamp damage. No warning about the engraving. No info about the condition. Just the same price and description, like nothing ever happened.

This is dishonest and irresponsible. Guitar Center should not be shipping boutique basses like they're Squires, and they definitely shouldn't be reselling damaged instruments without full disclosure.

I just want to warn others, if you see a swamp ash Ken Smith BSR6 at Guitar Center, beware. You might be buying a bass that's already been returned for major issues. I'll include the link below so you can see for yourself.

Guitar Center has lost my trust. I'm heartbroken over this whole thing, and I just hope no one else gets burned like I did.

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Totally agree, it was poor....everything... on GC's part.

I will mention one thing that *may* have swayed you to hold on to the bass but obviously it's a little late for that.

I got a Smith here on TB and it was awesome until one day I had the opposite problem in my preamp to yours, it was the active that lost volume and passive was fine. No warning, it just happened.

I contacted Ken Smith and he asked that I send in just the preamp and gave detailed instructions on how to remove it. He sent it back to "the lab" by which I assume was HazLabs. They fixed the problem and refurbished the pre top to bottom and it's essentially like new. Got it back, installed it and everything is glorious again. It was like $100-something all told.

Maybe a little sanding would exorcise Pokey as well?

The good news is, you got to play it and find if it really worked for you. And it did! There are plenty more out there so I hope you find YOUR bass soon.

But yeah, boo to GC.
 
Welcome to buying used from guitar center. It sucks. The big bosses don’t care about anything other than moving product and that trickles down to the management, sales, and operations in the stores. Nothing on any GC wall is ever cared for or touched after it hits the wall. Used pieces are never fully checked for functionality before or after a sale, and the operations people that ship the stuff use the least amount of packing possible because the culture of not caring at GC is what GC is all about. I know the folks at my local GC hate it there. They feel they are treated and paid poorly, so it’s minimum effort all around. It really stinks, cause I’ve had the same thing happen to me at GC, so I feel your pain. I try my best now a days to buy from local shops that truly care about their products or from private sellers on here or reverb with positive feedback or reviews. I hope you are able to find another Ken Smith like the one you bought that brings you many years of joy! Keep checking the classified section here and reverb!
 
GC used gear is a "box of chocolates" — you never know what you're gonna get.

I've received gear advertised in "excellent" condition, only to find amps with broken switches, keyboards with sticky keys, keyboards that won't stay in tune or had keys that made no sound, basses with maxed out truss rods, ski jump necks, drum machines with crapped out batteries and broken internal wires, effects pedals that are DOA, instruments with pickups 'swapped out' by someone else during their 45-day 'rental' period. They just don't care.

Most recently, I purchased a boutique bass amp, noted that it does not turn on, returned it, got my money back, and now it is back up on the website FOR SALE AT THIS VERY MOMENT (>$1k) !


The bubble wrap boutique? Been there too: I ordered a NYC Sadowsky strat advertised with original case — only to receive the strat partially bubble wrapped with no case. Also did some research on the guitar and found it had been refretted, refinished, new bridge, and electronics gutted by a previous owner. But the “detailed” AI-generated description only mentioned it comes with OhSC…

Are there some scores to be had at GC? Sure, they happen, but are farther and fewer between as GC quality control has taken a nose dive over the past one to two years. I don't mean to bash GC, but these are failures that are unacceptable and mostly very preventable.

Guitar Center used = CAVEAT EMPTOR.
 
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I think I posted about this before, but I randomly came across an ad for a 70s "lawsuit-era" Ibanez J-Bass on their site that happened to be in one of the Denver stores. I went to check it out on the way to a dinner date one time. Also advertised as great condition (and at a very cheap price if that was true) and as I had owned and loved a similar one for a long time previously I was quite excited! I pick it up at the store and immediately see that someone had made it "fretless" at some point by literally grinding down the frets, leaving the fret tangs imbedded in the wood. The action was quite high and bottomed out on the outer strings and still had some buzz at random areas due to the fret tangs sticking up slightly and inconsistently. A worker there mentioned that they had just received it as a return a few days prior. I mentioned that they might benefit from actually listing the bass as a fretless and also having their in-store techs take a look at it to see if it could be made reasonably playable. I suspect at the listed price it will probably bounce around the country in perpetuity though, with lots of disappointed customers in its wake...
 
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I think I posted about this before, but I randomly came across an ad for a 70s "lawsuit-era" Ibanez J-Bass on their site that happened to be in one of the Denver stores I went to check it out on the way to a dinner date one time. Also advertised as great condition (and at a very cheap price if that was true) and as I had owned and loved a similar one for a long time previously I was quite excited! I pick it up at the store and immediately see that someone had made it "fretless" at some point by literally grinding down the frets, leaving the fret tangs imbedded in the wood. The action was quite high and bottomed out on the outer strings and still had some buzz at random areas due to the fret tangs sticking up slightly and inconsistently. A worker there mentioned that they had just received it as a return a few days prior. I mentioned that they might benefit from actually listing the bass as a fretless and also having their in-store techs take a look at it to see if it could be made reasonably playable. I suspect at the listed price it will probably bounce around the country in perpetuity though, with lots of disappointed customers in its wake...
Hope the date was ok though.
 
I went to Guitar Center in Chicago and it was an impressive place. Everything was clean and nice. Then the other day I went to the store in Des Moines and brand new guitars on the wall were covered in dust. On a good note, I had free rein to grab whatever I wanted off the wall and try it without being bothered by sales people. So it probably depends on who is running each individual store what the experience will be like. It sounds like buying used on line from them is a no go. Good to know.
 
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I understand your disappointment! That's a very deceiving transaction! First me, I'd have kept it. The mark between the PUs probably from a pick. The name on the back is stupidity but, in this case you can fix this stupid. The preamp I would have gotten fixed on their dime. The name and the mark between the PUs would have been a quick fix and would have been done waiting for the preamp..

Should anyone have to have done any of this, NO! But, for me, if I would have shucked out that kind of money, I would have. Especially if I liked it. But, that's just me. Pictures definitely would have been taken. I don't blame your reaction one bit. I would have been pissed and not been real nice when I returned it. . GC "misrepresented" (lied) about condition. Illegal, I believe so. You were probably buying someone elses return for the same reasons you did! Now, they repeat the same shoddy sale. This is why buying sight unseen is a real gamble. Buyers beware! Who do I trust, no one. Works for me.
 
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all my used purchases but one from GC were in store. got great deals, basses worked well, but then i wouldn't have bought them if they weren't in the condition i was happy with for the price. my only online used purchase was my husband's desolation guitar, and it was mint and a very good price.

that being said, the reason i don't usually buy used from GC online is that the items i want are usually sold. i call the store with the guitar or bass before ordering - managers are hit and miss about replying to emails, so if you really want something call - and inevitably they're already sold.
 
I never buy from GC/Bain Capital, but recently I was looking for a specific model project bass and saw that GC had one. List price was a little more than I wanted to pay so I called them for an in hand description.

I ended up speaking to the sales manager who pulled the bass down from the wall and answered my questions. We had a couple of email exchanges afterwards that were prompt courteous and accurate.

As it turned out there were a couple of rather serious structural issues that were not visible or otherwise described in the online listing.

In the end I did not buy the bass because they couldn't lower the price enough to justify doing the work that it needed.

Key take away: I think if you go in knowing that they are not going to list every detail about an instrument and you are willing and able to do your homework and some follow-up, you can probably get a pretty good deal from time to time and not get disappointed. It is not a good place for a quick online buy or impulse purchase. Go in expecting that you will need to engage someone personally and know which questions you need to ask. If they are not willing to do an inhand description or are evasive it's probably a huge red flag. Caveat emptor indeed.