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Blown away by the bass tone

#521
Polkatronixx said:
The fact that he says he did. The fact that he is credited on the record sleeve with doing so. And here's an interview where he says he did: John Taylor Talks Duran Duran, Early Influences and that "Rio" bass line

It's amazing how he apparently wasn't capable of playing those basslines on the records, yet was able to develop the skill to do so when playing the songs live immediately after the records were released (and likely beforehand). But you know, if someone's brother's hairdresser's best mate's football coach said Taylor didn't play them, then it MUST be true (in spite of any evidence to the contrary).

Why don't YOU present actual evidence that he didn't? You're the one who's claiming Edwards played the bass on those tracks - so provide evidence he was the one who did.
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So in your world, no one ever lies, no one mimes to backing tracks and the music industry is a paragon of virtue...

You believe because you want to believe, the truth has got nothing to do with it. Like I said, incredibly naïve...
 
#522
No, that's not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying there is no credible evidence that Taylor didn't play the basslines in question, that all available evidence suggests he did and that assuming he didn't based simply on a rumour which is a) contradicted by all available evidence, b) is not widely accepted and c) and lacks any corrobrating evidence is actually far more naive and ignorant than accepting the official version.

As far as this is concerned:
"So in your world, no one ever lies, no one mimes to backing tracks and the music industry is a paragon of virtue..."

That's fallacious reasoning. If you're going to put a Huxley quote at the bottom of your posts (in particular that one), you should be able to do better than that.
 
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#523
Polkatronixx said:
No, that's not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying there is no credible evidence that Taylor didn't play the basslines in question, that all available evidence suggests he did and that assuming he didn't based simply on a rumour which is a) contradicted by all available evidence, b) is not widely accepted and c) and lacks any corrobrating evidence is actually far more naive and ignorant than accepting the official version.

As far as this is concerned:
"So in your world, no one ever lies, no one mimes to backing tracks and the music industry is a paragon of virtue..."

That's fallacious reasoning. If you're going to put a Huxley quote at the bottom of your posts (in particular that one), you should be able to do better than that.
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You have posted no verifiable evidence whatsoever. I've posted what Bernard Edwards witnessed and related, who was working with them at the time.

It isn't fallacious reasoning, that's exactly what you were saying. No one lies, no one mimes and the industry is sacrosanct.

The fanboys don't half indulge in Motivated Reasoning...
 
#524
Your Edwards quote had to do with the recording of the Power Station album. And Edwards himself said (in the quote you provided) that Taylor played the basslines. Your OWN "evidence" contradicts what you are contending!

And it is fallacious - it's what's known as a strawman fallacy. You have mis-stated my position and attacked that.

I never said that no one lies. I said that you had no evidence that supports your contention that Taylor didn't play on those records and all the evidence that we have points to him playing - including the 'evidence' you provided. And that in the absence of any credible evidence to the contrary, the logical position to take is to assume that he was the one who played the basslines. I made no argument about the music industry or the veracity of anyone.

And you also said that Edwards played on earlier Duran Duran recordings - including "Girls on Film" which was recorded in the UK and recorded before Taylor had ever met Edwards. You cannot and have not provided any evidence to support this contention.
 
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#526
The 'industry' might lie (even though that is a fallacy of reification - but I get your point, as flawed as it is). But there is no evidence of a lie in this case. We know, for example, that Fabrice and Rob did not sing on the Milli Vanilli records. We know that the Jackson 5 didn't play on their biggest hits. But those facts (and many others) are verifiable.

You have yet to provide any evidence that Taylor didn't play (or write) "Rio". You contend that you provided evidence - but the evidence you provided relates to a different record and actually states that Taylor did play on the recordings that quote related to.

Perhaps all we have is Taylor's word (and the info on the record). But that's more than you have. And the fact that some people have lied at some time and that some people in the music business might not be honest has no bearing on this - unless you have provide evidence to show it does.

So maybe it's all I 'got'. But it is more than you 'got'.
 
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#527
Polkatronixx said:
The 'industry' might lie (even though that is a fallacy of reification - but I get your point, as flawed as it is). But there is no evidence of a lie in this case. We know, for example, that Fabrice and Rob did not sing on the Milli Vanilli records. We know that the Jackson 5 didn't play on their biggest hits. But those facts (and many others) are verifiable.

You have yet to provide any evidence that Taylor didn't play (or write) "Rio". You contend that you provided evidence - but the evidence you provided relates to a different record and actually states that Taylor did play on the recordings that quote related to.

Perhaps all we have is Taylor's word (and the info on the record). But that's more than you have. And the fact that some people have lied at some time and that some people in the music business might not be honest has no bearing on this - unless you have provide evidence to show it does.

So maybe it's all I 'got'. But it is more than you 'got'.
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I'll use the experience of Edwards as my basis, and the fact that those lines were way beyond Taylor's level at the time. He didn't seem bothered about Edwards taking the reigns at all...
 
#528
I don't know John Taylor and certainly didn't know him in 1981-82 - so I cannot attest to what was or wasn't beyond his technical ability at the time. If he wasn't capable of playing them in the studio, he certainly developed the ability to play them by they time they were touring, though.

Come to think of it, I am pretty sure Geddy Lee doesn't actually play on any of the Rush albums.
 
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#529
Polkatronixx said:
I don't know John Taylor and certainly didn't know him in 1981-82 - so I cannot attest to what was or wasn't beyond his technical ability at the time. If he wasn't capable of playing them in the studio, he certainly developed the ability to play them by they time they were touring, though.

Come to think of it, I am pretty sure Geddy Lee doesn't actually play on any of the Rush albums.
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Prove that Taylor played those lines live without tape. Or do you just believe everything without question?
 
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That's impossible to prove. But you are just as much believing something without question as I am - actually, you are worse, as there is nothing to support your contention, other than your hunch.

I guess Bernard Edwards was extremely busy in the early 80s - spending all his time secretly recording basslines for young white British guys. I love his work on "Too Shy" and "Quiet Life". Oh wait - "Quiet Life" was probably Pino, right?
 
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Lagado said:
I'll use the experience of Edwards as my basis, and the fact that those lines were way beyond Taylor's level at the time. He didn't seem bothered about Edwards taking the reigns at all...
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You do realise that Taylor "didn't seem bothered about Edwards taking the reigns (sic)" in 1985 - over three years after "Rio" was recorded and almost four years after "Girls on Film" was recorded, right?
 
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Hey - here's the thing: whether he played it or not on a particular recording John Taylor is an awesome bass player! In fact I'd go so far as to say he's one of my bass heroes. Is anyone saying that he didn't write the bass lines to some of Duran Duran's iconic tracks e.g. Planet Earth, Rio etc.?

Here's a little video he released five days back from his home in LA.

 
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Polkatronixx said:
You do realise that Taylor "didn't seem bothered about Edwards taking the reigns (sic)" in 1985 - over three years after "Rio" was recorded and almost four years after "Girls on Film" was recorded, right?
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Again, you assume that Edwards was not working with them before 1985. He probably added so much, that they had to bring his contribution forward in some shape or form.
 
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Lagado said:
Again, you assume that Edwards was not working with them before 1985. He probably added so much, that they had to bring his contribution forward in some shape or form.
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"Probably". Yeah. As I said, Geddy Lee didn't play on any of the Rush albums. Those basslines were beyond his abilities and he probably had Stanley Clarke play them. That's what I heard, anyway. Prove otherwise - and don't give me anyone's testimony that it was Lee - that's just the music industry lying about it.
 
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Polkatronixx said:
"Probably". Yeah. As I said, Geddy Lee didn't play on any of the Rush albums. Those basslines were beyond his abilities and he probably had Stanley Clarke play them. That's what I heard, anyway. Prove otherwise - and don't give me anyone's testimony that it was Lee - that's just the music industry lying about it.
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Stay in school, you got nothing.
 
#540
Lagado said:
Projection. Like I said, stay in school.
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