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Boogie WD-800 vs Walkabout

Thank you to all for this excellent thread. It has been very helpful in deciding if i want a 800+ or a WD-800.

I am leaning towards the WD-800 and I would either use it with my current 15" Powerhouse cab or grab a second Powerhouse 15 for what I hope would be a great sound.

(I have NO issues with the weight of the Powerhouse cabs by the way.)

Opinions?
I have used the WD-800 with my PH cabs (212's and 410). It sounds great with them. I've played, but do not own the PH115. IMO the PH cabs are a little more rock and roll in your face voiced than their somewhat more polite SW counterparts. I would also say that despite the weight difference, the SW cabs are equally as robust in terms of delivering big volume and handling serious power.

If you like the PH cabs and don't mind the weight, they will sound just fine with your WD. Not sure how others feel on the 115 comparison specifically, but going from memory I would say that the SW115 is a little better balanced/smoother sounding than the PH115. They are both excellent cabs and it just boils down to voicing and size/weight preferences.
 
I have used the WD-800 with my PH cabs (212's and 410). It sounds great with them. I've played, but do not own the PH115. IMO the PH cabs are a little more rock and roll in your face voiced than their somewhat more polite SW counterparts. I would also say that despite the weight difference, the SW cabs are equally as robust in terms of delivering big volume and handling serious power.

If you like the PH cabs and don't mind the weight, they will sound just fine with your WD. Not sure how others feel on the 115 comparison specifically, but going from memory I would say that the SW115 is a little better balanced/smoother sounding than the PH115. They are both excellent cabs and it just boils down to voicing and size/weight preferences.

Thank you! That helps.

But things just got complex...there is a player in town with both a PH115 AND an 800 for sale. I had really been focused on the 800+ or a WD 800 but for a lot less money I could get that 800. Hmmmm...
 
Thank you! That helps.

But things just got complex...there is a player in town with both a PH115 AND an 800 for sale. I had really been focused on the 800+ or a WD 800 but for a lot less money I could get that 800. Hmmmm...
I’d have a listen to a WD-800 before buying the D800. Just so you have a reference point. The + will be somewhere in between them. The D and the WD are quite different imo.
I’ve had all 3 and will keep the WD, probably forever.



That is, of course, unless Andy creates something else that blows my socks off.
Again.:smug:
 
I’d have a listen to a WD-800 before buying the D800. Just so you have a reference point. The + will be somewhere in between them. The D and the WD are quite different imo.
I’ve had all 3 and will keep the WD, probably forever.



That is, of course, unless Andy creates something else that blows my socks off.
Again.:smug:
I'm ALWAYS working on things ;)
 
Not wishing to monkey wrench up the thought gears OP, but I played a D-800 and a WD-800. I didn't like the D-800 that much, but the WD-800 beat it by a country mile for me.

I would go for the WD-800 first, and either a Tonehammer or Darkglass before a D-800. That's just me with my style and ears though. I've not demo'd a D-800+.

If I was buying used though, I would not purchase a Darkglass, and only a Tonehammer at a good deal. Transferable warranty is only with the Mesa products.
 
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Thank you all for the feedback. I hear you on listening to a WD 800.

$400 for a barely used Subway 800 is pretty hard to pass up.
I own a D and WD and not only because I'm too lazy to post something in the classifieds section. They are quite different in features and voicing. I really like the simplicity of the D and if you're okay with a slightly darker inherent tone and happy with less tone shaping flexibility, the D is a nice little head. The WD has a different sound and feel right off the bat (it is more open up top) and has tremendous flexibility for sculpting the specific tone and feel you want.

Both are nice and I can easily see a player preferring one over the other. However, if I could only choose one head to own, the WD would be it and wins on tonal versatility to meet varying style goals. I really like the damping control feature and on-board variable HPF as well.
 
I own a D and WD and not only because I'm too lazy to post something in the classifieds section. They are quite different in features and voicing. I really like the simplicity of the D and if you're okay with a slightly darker inherent tone and happy with less tone shaping flexibility, the D is a nice little head. The WD has a different sound and feel right off the bat (it is more open up top) and has tremendous flexibility for sculpting the specific tone and feel you want.

Both are nice and I can easily see a player preferring one over the other. However, if I could only choose one head to own, the WD would be it and wins on tonal versatility to meet varying style goals. I really like the damping control feature and on-board variable HPF as well.

THANK YOU for this perspective, Al! It is very helpful in understanding the difference between the two.

I did pull the trigger on the used Subway D 800 and the Powerhouse 115 form my local guy. The two items being available actually made it more difficult in a way, but ultimately, I think it was for the best. Here is my logic (I apologize for the temporary Thread Derailment):

I've been using a Fender Rumble 500 combo with my less-than-a-year-old Powerhouse 115 as the extension speaker but always wanted to go full Mesa-Boogie. The long-term plan was to get a MB amp (800+) first so I could sell the Fender. Then, I would eventually get an additional PH speaker so as to have a truly great combination. But then it was announced that the PH cabs were DQ'd which ramped up the urgency to either buy a one new or find a used one locally (a challenging proposition in my relatively small town) due to what shipping would cost for a used cab.

I always check the local ads on a daily basis and to my astonishment, on Tuesday I saw an ad for a used PH 115 for $400. Hard to pass up, right? I casually mentioned to the guy that I wanted to get a new WD-800 and he said, "whoa, I've got my D-800 for sale too ($400)."

Decision time. While the siren call of the WD-800 filled my ears (metaphorically), I just could not justify an extra $700 ($600 + $100 tax) for it though.

But I feel good about it. As you know, the reviews for the original D-800 are simply sterling. As a hobbyist multi-instrumentalist, I should be pretty darn happy with a D-800/PH115/PH115 combo. Perhaps in the future a WD might be the goal because I do like the concept of a wider tonal range and the additional features.

One quick question before I apologize again...so I now know (due to the very nice folks answering the phone at M-B) that there is no difference if I plug the two cabs into the two outputs on the 800 or if I use one Speak-on to the first cab and another cable from that cab to the 2nd cab. BUT, what I don't quite know is am I getting 800 watts or 400 watts that way? I did a bunch of research both in general and on the (excellent) M-B website and I think I could apply the formula (based on two 8 Ohm cabs) to know but the confusing thing for me is the switch on the back of the 800. It only has two options: 2 Ohms and 4/8 Ohms. Naturally, I have it set at 4/8 Ohms. But is it 4 or 8 with two cabs? So will I get 400 watts with the 2 cabs or 800?

Thank you for your indulgence. I am hoping that others that are wondering about the differences between the 800/800+ and the WD-800 will benefit from this off-topic post. :)

As always, thank you to Agedhorse, Al Craft, Chef, and all the M-B users on TB that make this such a helpful place. I cannot thank you all enough. M-B gear is...simply the best.
 
2 8ohm cabs present a 4ohm load, and the amp will deliver 800w if set at 4/8 ohm setting. If the cabs both have the same number of drivers, they will all get an equal amount of watts from the amp.

if you use the 2ohm setting with a 4ohm load, you will get about 600-ish watts into your 2 cabs. This could be handy in some circumstances.

enjoy the new amp
 
I have the WD800 and the D800+. I favor the WD800 over the the D800+ in a big way, just never bonded sonically with the D800+. It has great features and is a well designed and built amp, but its more Carbine leaning preamp sound is not my favorite sauce (never cared for the Carbine M series amps either).

After fellow TB member Iv@n did a great audio compare of a WD800 and D800+, I feel like I should try to replicate that with my own D800_+ and WD800 and see if I can get similar results.
 
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2 8ohm cabs present a 4ohm load, and the amp will deliver 800w if set at 4/8 ohm setting. If the cabs both have the same number of drivers, they will all get an equal amount of watts from the amp.

if you use the 2ohm setting with a 4ohm load, you will get about 600-ish watts into your 2 cabs. This could be handy in some circumstances.

enjoy the new amp

Thank you!!! That is what I thought, but the 4 AND 8 on the one setting threw me.

(And I hope I made it clear in my post that the excellent and quick-responding folks at Mesa-Boogie's customer service (phone) made it clear that it didn't matter how I connected the cabs. You have a GREAT company there, Agedhorse!

That's why about 6 months ago I also bought my 7 tubes for my guitar amp from Mesa-Boogie)

And thank YOU Pfschim for your thoughts on the WD 800 to D-800 comparison! I bet in a few years I'll have a WD-800 (or whatever new and cool amp Agedhorse has dreamed up by then).
 
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But I feel good about it. As you know, the reviews for the original D-800 are simply sterling. As a hobbyist multi-instrumentalist, I should be pretty darn happy with a D-800/PH115/PH115 combo. Perhaps in the future a WD might be the goal because I do like the concept of a wider tonal range and the additional features.
You should feel good and I suspect you'll feel even better when all that gear arrives and you plug it in for the first time. The WD will offer you something different, but IMO the D-800 is a great head that matches perfectly with PH or SW cabs - we're talking different here, not lesser or better. You might even find that the D-800 has exactly what you want in sound and feel and that the WD, while nice, doesn't not offer you that much more. In fact if you use an external adjustable HPF, the D-800 could be everything you'd want.

Congratulations on a decision that will get you great tone at a great price...oh yeah, and will get you some serious volume too!
 
You should feel good and I suspect you'll feel even better when all that gear arrives and you plug it in for the first time. The WD will offer you something different, but IMO the D-800 is a great head that matches perfectly with PH or SW cabs - we're talking different here, not lesser or better. You might even find that the D-800 has exactly what you want in sound and feel and that the WD, while nice, doesn't not offer you that much more. In fact if you use an external adjustable HPF, the D-800 could be everything you'd want.

Congratulations on a decision that will get you great tone at a great price...oh yeah, and will get you some serious volume too!

Thank you, Al!
Since my wife was sleeping, last night I tried to be quiet as I moved stuff around. I was doing pretty good despite the 72 LB weight of each cab UNTIL I forgot that the handles are spring-loaded. Man, what a crack those made when I simply let go of them. LOL. And those Speak-on cables are the cat's meow, aren't they? Far better than 1/4".

But I won't get a chance to play until tonight.
The High pass filter would be good to strip away excessive rumbling, wouldn't it? But there are not a lot of choices out there.
 
Thank you, Al!
Since my wife was sleeping, last night I tried to be quiet as I moved stuff around. I was doing pretty good despite the 72 LB weight of each cab UNTIL I forgot that the handles are spring-loaded. Man, what a crack those made when I simply let go of them. LOL. And those Speak-on cables are the cat's meow, aren't they? Far better than 1/4".

But I won't get a chance to play until tonight.
The High pass filter would be good to strip away excessive rumbling, wouldn't it? But there are not a lot of choices out there.
The D-800 fixed internal HPF works very well and is well matched to the Mesa cabs' capabilities IME. If you want to go with a variable HPF option, fdeck's HPF Pre Series 3 is excellent and I have only read good things regarding the Broughton pedals (although I've never owned or played on one). Perhaps others will offer additional good options.