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Bose Acoustic Wave Cannon System

Originally posted by Funkster
It sounded great in the demo room with all the musicians except for the bassplayer I was really dissapointed at the lack of projection or clarity for the bass. Besides running the kick drum through the same module, you needed a stack of 6 bass modules $$ and I still couldn't hear the bassplayer that well, The kickdrum stepped all over the bass freq's.

SIX of the bass modules and it still wasn't cutting it? :eek:

They recommend TWO of the modules for bass players on the website.

It's a shame, because the concept was pretty interesting. They are making some pretty bold claims about this system, and musicians are a whole different breed than the average home audio consumer. Puffery doesn't work with us.

No disrespect meant to Bose, Funkster. They make some awesome products.

Here's a thought...seeing as how you've got 21 years ( :eek: ) in and have probably qualified for a pension already, why don't you march into Mr. Bose's office, grab him by the lapels and say "you should've come to me before you put this thing out, and I coulda hipped you to what real live bass players would think about it, but noooooooooooooo...."

Or maybe that would be a bad idea?
 
Originally posted by Craig Garfinkel
SIX of the bass modules and it still wasn't cutting it? :eek:

They recommend TWO of the modules for bass players on the website.

It's a shame, because the concept was pretty interesting. They are making some pretty bold claims about this system, and musicians are a whole different breed than the average home audio consumer. Puffery doesn't work with us.

No disrespect meant to Bose, Funkster. They make some awesome products.

Here's a thought...seeing as how you've got 21 years ( :eek: ) in and have probably qualified for a pension already, why don't you march into Mr. Bose's office, grab him by the lapels and say "you should've come to me before you put this thing out, and I coulda hipped you to what real live bass players would think about it, but noooooooooooooo...."

Or maybe that would be a bad idea?

LOL Craig! yep 6 modules but mind you the kick and tom were sharing the 6, I asked that question too why couldn't you seperate them and I got a answer that really didn't mean anything.
After the demo all the musicians signed up to bring there outside bands to test drive the system but we haven't heard anything yet. I want to hear my Zep tribute band through this stuff and actually play on stage with it to get the full concept before I totally pass judgement. I will keep those interested informed of what I come up with.

You know I have had the discussion with the good Dr about there pro division before and he's well aware that we haven't made any good pro stuff since the inseption of the 802, Which was 1979 lol! It's a market that they just never got into, We leave it up to our neighbors at EAW, hehehehehe
 
You are right Oddio, The AM stuff is awesome along with the headsets. The new 3-2-1 DVD system is killer also, I just got one presented to me for 20 years of service. The lifestyle stuff is awesome. What I don't like is they let there floorstanding speakers go by the wayside for some new outside desighns, If you ask me there's nothing like pumpimg 100 watts into a old pair of 601's or 401's or 10.2's from the 80's Now that's some seriouse speakerage.
 
Originally posted by Dan Loader
Sorry! Didn't realised you were refering to that!

Don't be sorry Bro, I just didn't feel like typing it all again.
I believe that the tour will be hitting the UK sometime in the beginning of next year.
I recommend that you check it out if you can, The concept is pretty interesting.
Still working on getting the names of the musicians
 
Originally posted by Funkster
Only because the last few times Bose was discussed it turned into a trash session on me.
Bose is a good Co. that makes great products and they also make some bad products.
I'm sorry I take offense but with, Ah you no what nevermind it's just not worth it. Better off staying out here and keeping my mouth shut.
I have noticed a lot that in general conversation, when Bose is mentioned, eyebrows raise and a confirmed "They're good" comes out. They are usually yuppy type that are novice listeners. The Bose products are touted as "high end" when there is no backing for their comments. Just look in "The WantAdvertiser". How many Lifestyles systems are being sold off. "Paid $1,500 a year ago" They are cheesy pastic stuff. Kinda reminds me of Radio Shack.
BTW,I have an old pair of 901s that I paid $1,500 in 1985. I use them for rear surround speakers facing OUT. I like em, but not for front "Rock" speakrs.
 
When I was a kid, before I knew much about the physics of speakers, I thought Bose were cool.

The more I learned, and the more Bose speakers I heard, the more that opinion changed.

Bose acoustic wave cannon: a tuned pipe, like this, will give high efficiency at some frequencies, because it resonates. However, the resonance introduces some nasty group delays (generally, in audio, the more resonance, the worse). So, a "raw" resonant pipe speaker tends to have very uneven response and "ring" at the resonant frequencies. This system probably comes with an equalizer to smooth the response (though this means the power requirements will be very dependent on frequency), but I don't think there's much they can do about the phase problems.

The Acoustic Wave radios are of a similar design, just scaled down and folded.

Bose Acoustimass subwoofers: a special band-pass design (patented) with *three* resonant chambers, the third in series with the other two. Used to "squeeze" the bandwidth and increase efficiency over a narrow range: 60-100Hz or so typically. Again, efficiency comes at the expense of phase distortion (group delay / ringing).

Every AM system I've heard, up to the latest Lifestyles, has had very boomy bass with a frequency "gap" between the subs and the satellites.

I think Bose finally started using dome tweeters in some of their models? Only about 30 years after their invention, and 20 after just about everybody agreed they were far superior to paper cones. I don't have any hard evidence, but the mid- and high-frequency drivers I've seen in Bose speakers scream "$0.99" to me.

Anyway, here are some interesting things to think about:

1. For a company as scientific as Bose make themselves to be, and that bases their advertising on such technical innovation, why is it that they don't publish a single spec for their speakers?

2. Why have I never seen a magazine review of any Bose speakers that included any technical measurements (at least beyond a low-frequency cutoff for an AM sub once in Stereo Review)?

More reading (a bit out of date, though):

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Originally posted by geshel
I don't have any hard evidence, but the mid- and high-frequency drivers I've seen in Bose speakers scream "$0.99" to me.

a friend of mine bought some of their reject drivers (didn't meet incoming specs, so were rejected back to the OE supplier) for $3.99 each out of some electronics "deal" catalog. how much do you think they cost bose? :)

robb.
 
I'll tell you what guy's this system has been getting Rave reviews, I went to Muzo camp yesterday and got to play through it, I'm totaly diggin it. All I brought was my Fender P and my Sansamp and I was golden. They have been using a Pod for the bass tones but I prefered My Sansamp.
Bose is open to the public next Thursday for a live Demo with the new Bose house band I was talking about. The Musical directer I was trying to think of is Cliff Goodwin, Musical directer and lead guitarist for Joe Cocker amongst others through the 80's and 90's, The bassplayer was just introduced to me as Wulf, I believe he is the resident Bass tech out at Berklee in Boston, Great player!!!! Cliff Hendrickson is the keyboardist, and the rest of the band I never heard of. They Smoke though.
Next Friday we are having a mini Bose jam and I will finally get to play through the system with one of my gigging bands.
I think Bose is on to something here..
 
Originally posted by Funkster
I'll tell you what guy's this system has been getting Rave reviews, I went to Muzo camp yesterday and got to play through it, I'm totaly diggin it. All I brought was my Fender P and my Sansamp and I was golden. They have been using a Pod for the bass tones but I prefered My Sansamp.

there's a reason it's getting rave reviews -- it's a very good idea for the market it targets. it's the not revolutionary idea that bose asserts it is, but it's still a very good idea.

personally, though, i can't think of many situations where a product like that would be both useful and cost effective for the situations i've played in. maybe half my gigs in my last band would have had both the right room size and playing situation to benefit from this system. i don't think the pay we got from those gigs would have paid for three sticks and enough bass modules for the whole band.

if we were playing more wedding and corporate gigs, where the pay is much higher, that would change. i can't see many rock bands getting their money out of this, but it may well be perfect for a smooth jazz group. a group with electric drums (especially the drummer) would probably like this a lot, too.

essentially what i'm saying in all of this is that it's a good idea, but i don't know if bose understands how small the market for this type of product is. for the people it targets it's a godsend, but for everyone else, it's too expensive and you don't get much.

in other words, it's too bad that bose made it, because anyone coming anywhere close to replicating it will be sued out of existence. so no one will be able to make such a system except also make it in a more cost effective (read: far lower advertising/hype overhead) and make it more universally applicable (higher power, more bass, different system sizes).

but it's pretty cool idea, nevertheless, and i'm glad someone put the old technological pieces together in a new and creative way.

robb.
 
Originally posted by Craig Garfinkel
You mean Wolf Ginandes.

Awesome groove player. I've heard him play several times with the Shaboo (a.k.a Mohegan Sun) All-Stars.

That's where I have seen him!! Dam while I was meeting him yesterday I was saying to myself I seen this guy play before, I seen the allstars in the mid 90's and I bet he was playing with them.
They have been around for over 20 years have'nt they Craig?
Wow small world.
 
Originally posted by Funkster
That's where I have seen him!! Dam while I was meeting him yesterday I was saying to myself I seen this guy play before, I seen the allstars in the mid 90's and I bet he was playing with them.
They have been around for over 20 years have'nt they Craig?
Wow small world.

More like pushin' 30 years. But Wolf is one of many fine bassists that've held the chair over the years. Other past notables are Harvey Brooks (Miles Davis "Bitches Brew") Sidney Sheldon (Peter Frampton "Frampton Comes Alive") and Charles Calamese (Steve Miller "Fly Like An Eagle").
 
Gentlemen -

I was delighted to find that this thread had wandered to the subject of the "Personalized Amplification System™", since I was shown one of these at my local Guitar Center recently and didn't quite know what to make of it.

The comments above about one of these with SIX bass modules still being inadequate for bass is enough to give me pause, but there are a couple of other quibbles/questions that have come up with some reflection:

1) Guitarists who like tube sound/particular amp/particular speaker are not going to go for it (and how many does that leave?).

2) How is it magically going to prevent feedback with the singer(s) standing right in front of theor amplification?

Still a fascinating idea, though. I'd be very interested in hearing these in a real-life situation.