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Double Bass Bourbon???

LouisF

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Don -- if I melt this down, does it turn into a Manhattan or an Old Fashion??

Eli- if you mix it with Pappy Van Winkle, you could charge as much as Leatherwood.

I have no idea if it's any good, but I'm tempted to get a cake just to sniff (chew???) at rehearsals with one or two of the conductors I'm playing under right now, for whom downbeats seem optional!

https://reverb.com/item/81607520-colonel-marsee-s-bourbon-barrel-rosin-bass-2024-bass-rosin

Louis

PS: Perhaps we could talk Upton into producing a whole line of scotch, vodka, gin based tubs!
 
"this rosin combines the rich, complex flavors of bourbon barrel aging with..."

What's the saying...you can't introduce bourbon barrel aging in the first sentence without providing an explanation or benefit (questionable as it maybe) in the next?
 
Since Wiedoft and Leatherwood came out, we're getting a lot of new rosin options. I guess that's a good thing but I'm sort of curious how much variation there really is and how much of this is marketing with fancy packaging and other gimmicks.

I will admit, I tried a couple of those but the only rosins I've used for more than a year or so at a time have been Carlsson and Pop's. I will admit some curiousity about the Upton rosin but it's not that pricey. Doubt I'd try anything else that costs more unless someone revived oak.
 
Don -- if I melt this down, does it turn into a Manhattan or an Old Fashion??

Eli- if you mix it with Pappy Van Winkle, you could charge as much as Leatherwood.

Frankly, Pappy isn't worth it. That one is an even worse offender than Macallan in terms of marketing > product quality. Not to say it isn't a good whiskey, sometimes it's really good, but more often than not you're just paying for age and name rather than anything actually worth drinking.

There's a couple reasons American whiskeys—whether they be American single malts, ryes, corn whiskey, wheat whiskey, or various different mash bills of bourbon* usually aren't aged nearly as long as whiskeys in the UK, Ireland, other parts of Europe, or Japan, and the biggest one is the climate.Our climate in our main whiskey making regions is a lot more variable than over there in terms of both temperature and humidity swings, and that means that the spirit has a lot more interaction with the wood. Add on to that that the rules for bourbon specifically specify that it has to be charred virgin oak that the majority of the aging is done in (finishing in other barrels is actually allowed, although there was some confusion over whether or not that was actually the case when Angel's Envy started doing their thing), and the wood can really take over on an older bourbon.

It's especially noticeable at the ten year mark, just try a few different batches of the Henry McKenna Bottled in Bond. Heaven Hill goes above and beyond and do each one as a single barrel as well as being BiB, and on top of that, they go beyond the minimum four years for the label and do ten years as the standard. Both of those go hand in hand to mean there can be a lot more variance batch-to-batch than most other bourbons, and some of them are so powerfully oaky that you basically get mildly vanilla flavored burny wood water.

As for whether it would be a Manhattan or an Old Fashioned if you melted it down, neither—it's missing the vermouth and bitters to be a Manhattan, and it's missing the bitters and sugar to be an Old Fashioned, and they're both overly diluted.

Now that I've said all that: What in the name of Bottesini, Dragonetti, and Simandl is aging rosin in a bourbon barrel going to do except maybe make it smell a bit different? Are they mixing it in a used bourbon barrel and then letting it rest and solidify before melting it down again to actually pour it?

If these people actually make money I'm going to start selling apple and pear wood smoked rosin to go with the bourbon barrel rosin, really entice those brand new young orchestra students to lick it and try to eat it.

You all did that too, right?




*Mash bill is very important in distinguishing all of these, because rye, corn, and wheat whiskey can all still have a mix of grains involved unless they're labeling it as 100% of one single grain; the only one where you know it's going to be 100% barley is if its labeled a single malt, because our legal definition for an American single malt basically matches the one in the UK for any of their single malts: 100% malted barley, mashed, distilled, and aged entirely at a single distillery in the USA to be termed American, distilled to no more than 160 proof, etc. etc. etc.; as far as I know we don't have anybody doing anything like the uniquely Irish "Single Pot Still" whiskeys which are a mix of malted and unmalted barley, but there's enough Red Breast and Green Spot going around that I don't think we need to worry.
 
this is marketing
This guy gets it.

Between my former life as a brewer with a company which also had a distillery, and, well, living in Portland... I can say two things with authority:

1. This is marketing
2. This will sell

I'll stick with my Wiedoeft for now, thanks. I will add that my bass came with a decades-old cake of Petz something or other, which had zero grip left, but smelled like straight-up tree sap. I wish the others smelled like that, to be honest. It would really enhance the experience of the 5-10 seconds it takes to rosin up...
 
Since Wiedoft and Leatherwood came out, we're getting a lot of new rosin options. I guess that's a good thing but I'm sort of curious how much variation there really is and how much of this is marketing with fancy packaging and other gimmicks.

I will admit, I tried a couple of those but the only rosins I've used for more than a year or so at a time have been Carlsson and Pop's. I will admit some curiousity about the Upton rosin but it's not that pricey. Doubt I'd try anything else that costs more unless someone revived oak.
I think it's all marketing BS.

I found the leatherwood rosin to be absolute trash. I don't like dealing with the gunk that Pops gets all over my bow, strings, and bass, and how religious I have to be about wiping everything down every thirty minutes, but at least it WORKS!

I've tried several varieties of the original leatherwood, as well as the new "bass" blend, and every time I have found the same result: it needs consistent reapplication to keep having the bite and grip that Pops will give you for a whole three hour rehearsal in two or three swipes. The volume isn't as loud as I'd like and it's difficult to articulate how I want; have to be much more intentional than with Pops or Wiedoeft, I had a very hard time getting a consistent attack. Constantly had to wipe rosin dust off my strings because it just would not stay on the bow hair and often just gave out when the going got tough in heavier passages. Oh yeah, and after a few months of it sitting in my room, I tried it again just for the heck of it and it was all dried up and unusable. One of the selling points is that it lasts for several years if I remember right, guess that's not true. And this is a very moderate California climate. But hey, it's "bespoke" (whatever that means) and it's $62 for 2 cakes so it must be really good!!!!!!

Maybe I'm just a bad player that's become too reliant on Pops to sound good...?
 
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I will add that my bass came with a decades-old cake of Petz something or other, which had zero grip left, but smelled like straight-up tree sap. I wish the others smelled like that, to be honest. It would really enhance the experience of the 5-10 seconds it takes to rosin up...

I have a fresh cake of Petz which is surprisingly not bad. I agree that it smells really nice.
 
Petz is much maligned and under-rated. Depending on the weather (warmer/cooler) I use Petz #2 or3 and a swipe the Petz Premium when there is heavy orchestral stuff at hand. I've gone through the Nymans-Weidof-etc-etc cycle over the years and this is it for me, especially on gut strings.

As for Bourbon (posting it was a joke, after all!), I do remember - but can't find - a small company in Colorado or Utah that made rosins with red and/or white wine, claiming it was some Renaissance formula. And some people swear by the gold and silver in rosins like Liebenzeller. Does any of it really help? I don't know.

I'll keep my liquor in a glass and tree sap on the bow.
 
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I'm thinking of mixing up a small batch of rosin containing Black Tar Heroin and Cocaine...I'll be marketing it as suitable for both Legato and Spiccato bowings.
I think I'll name it "Burbank Small Batch Speedball", and charge $75.00 per cake, which includes a reusable syringe for direct injection into the bow hair.
Cha-Ching, B**ches!
(Sheesh...)
Thx.
 
To clarify, the Petz I was referring to was 15-20 years old, far beyond "expired" for spiccato, but it still played and sounded great in the high register. No judgement intended on the current product or its users!

I'm thinking of mixing up a small batch of rosin containing Black Tar Heroin and Cocaine...I'll be marketing it as suitable for both Legato and Spiccato bowings.
I think I'll name it "Burbank Small Batch Speedball", and charge $75.00 per cake, which includes a reusable syringe for direct injection into the bow hair.
Cha-Ching, B**ches!
(Sheesh...)
Thx.

A very "Hollywood" take on the "tools" of the greats. Leatherwood may be rated at 30-60, but yours is Schedule 1. Best of luck with your BS, Don.
 
I think it's all marketing BS.

I found the leatherwood rosin to be absolute trash. I don't like dealing with the gunk that Pops gets all over my bow, strings, and bass, and how religious I have to be about wiping everything down every thirty minutes, but at least it WORKS!

I've tried several varieties of the original leatherwood, as well as the new "bass" blend, and every time I have found the same result: it needs consistent reapplication to keep having the bite and grip that Pops will give you for a whole three hour rehearsal in two or three swipes. The volume isn't as loud as I'd like and it's difficult to articulate how I want; have to be much more intentional than with Pops or Wiedoeft, I had a very hard time getting a consistent attack. Constantly had to wipe rosin dust off my strings because it just would not stay on the bow hair and often just gave out when the going got tough in heavier passages. Oh yeah, and after a few months of it sitting in my room, I tried it again just for the heck of it and it was all dried up and unusable. One of the selling points is that it lasts for several years if I remember right, guess that's not true. And this is a very moderate California climate. But hey, it's "bespoke" (whatever that means) and it's $62 for 2 cakes so it must be really good!!!!!!

Maybe I'm just a bad player that's become too reliant on Pops to sound good...?

I, too, operate under the assumption that everybody else's experience must be wrong and that all of their opinions about something must be inherently fallacious whenever they don't line up with my own experience. Subjectivity doesn't apply to me, I am the arbiter of all objective truth.

I'll put on two swipes of 60% and it's a gamble whether or not I'll need to apply any for the next rehearsal. Three swipes and I've put on too much.

Sadly, it doesn't smell like bourbon...although I'd have to figure out which bourbon I'd prefer it to smell like. Maybe Old Forester 1897. Do you think the smell would get stronger the warmer it gets the longer you play? I hope so.
 
Don -- if I melt this down, does it turn into a Manhattan or an Old Fashion??

Eli- if you mix it with Pappy Van Winkle, you could charge as much as Leatherwood.

I have no idea if it's any good, but I'm tempted to get a cake just to sniff (chew???) at rehearsals with one or two of the conductors I'm playing under right now, for whom downbeats seem optional!

https://reverb.com/item/81607520-colonel-marsee-s-bourbon-barrel-rosin-bass-2024-bass-rosin

Louis

PS: Perhaps we could talk Upton into producing a whole line of scotch, vodka, gin based tubs!

Hi,

This is KY colonel Greg Marsee of Kentucky Small Batch Strings. I'd be happy to answer any questions about my process of producting Colonel Marsee's Bourbon Barrel Rosin products. Feel free to message me here or reach out to me at [email protected]

Thanks!

KY Colonel Greg Marsee
Kentucky Small Batch String Owner/Luthier
 
I'm thinking of mixing up a small batch of rosin containing Black Tar Heroin and Cocaine...I'll be marketing it as suitable for both Legato and Spiccato bowings.
I think I'll name it "Burbank Small Batch Speedball", and charge $75.00 per cake, which includes a reusable syringe for direct injection into the bow hair.
Cha-Ching, B**ches!
(Sheesh...)
Thx.

Hi,

This is KY colonel Greg Marsee of Kentucky Small Batch Strings. I'd be happy to answer any questions about my process of producting Colonel Marsee's Bourbon Barrel Rosin products. Feel free to message me here or reach out to me at [email protected]

Thanks!

KY Colonel Greg Marsee
Kentucky Small Batch String Owner/Luthier
Anybody else notice they spelled the name of their company wrong in several places?

KENTUCKY SMALL BATCH STIRNGS

Hey, thanks for letting me know! Good EYE!
 
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Don -- if I melt this down, does it turn into a Manhattan or an Old Fashion??

Eli- if you mix it with Pappy Van Winkle, you could charge as much as Leatherwood.

I have no idea if it's any good, but I'm tempted to get a cake just to sniff (chew???) at rehearsals with one or two of the conductors I'm playing under right now, for whom downbeats seem optional!

https://reverb.com/item/81607520-colonel-marsee-s-bourbon-barrel-rosin-bass-2024-bass-rosin

Louis

PS: Perhaps we could talk Upton into producing a whole line of scotch, vodka, gin based tubs!

It actully turns into a whiskey sour if you rub a lemon on it!

In all seriousness, the process I use for purification of the resin sap requires the use of PURE GRAIN ALCOHOL. Some of my Darker rosins use a pure grain that has been sitting in a bourbon barrel to pick up some of the color. This also adds to the stickyness of the rosin. PLUS- the piece of oak that I use to hold the rosin by is made from a former bourbon barrel stave. Many of the college professors in Kentucky have their students using it.

If you are interested, I could sell you one for $10 and you could review it for me! Just let me know.