Boutique 3-way 115 and 215 on a budget

[greenboy]

Does Eminence (or anyone else) have a neo 12" woofer that shares similar characteristics or performs so outstandingly well in the important parameters such as xmax, power handling, bass extension etc. at a reasonable price point?

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The Ciare 12.00 Nd W 1 and the Precision Devices 12SB40 are by far the best of all the Neo Twelves I've looked at. Unlike the Em DLII 2512 they don't require much box size and they don't run out of excursion well before "RMS" - that crescent swath cut out of ther orange Em line is the result of having run out of useful excursion.

But they are actually heavier (12.76 pounds and 17 pounds!) than the Kappalite 3015LF (RED) they are being compared with, and can't make nearly as much SPL in spite of the Precision Devices (YELLOW) getting 600 watts and the Ciare (GREEN) getting 400. This and cost and availability is why the fartworthy (by Kappalite standards) Em 2512 is used by almost everybody as the OEM basis for their neo 12 - and why I finally didn't go for ANY Twelve-based design.

So, yes, you can have it smaller (look at those cab volumes in the image), but you can't have it lighter and still expect decent bass extension without running out of excursion.

In fact this is just another example of Hoffman's Iron Law as well: you can have only 2 of 3 of the following: loud, small, low.

 

[lbwdog]

I assume orange is the DLII 2512?.......That explains what I hear then.

Hard to read but is the PD modeled in a 1.6 cu' box?
Thanks for the input!

 

[greenboy]

I assume orange is the DLII 2512?.......That explains what I hear then.

Hard to read but is the PD modeled in a 1.6 cu' box?
Thanks for the input!

Yeah, 1.6, though that was to bring it to half the internal volume of the LS1503's woofer space - it actually will do it in 1.3 and either it or the CIare can be tuned slightly higher to optimize to a quasi-butterworth curve - I just used 45 Hz and those box volumes as references. The Em 2512 is in 2.4 because it asks for twice as much! ; }

...Evidently tb is now shrinking images that go past a certain size even if they are hosted elsewhere. But most browsers now have a decent enlargement - the plus key in Opera, ferinstance.

 

[bradjonesbass]

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Preamp of your choice and this rig would kill!

 

[Bass Below]

I spent quite a bit of time with my new rig yesterday. I was expecting a slight trip back down to reality after initially being blown away by this cab.... nope, sounded even better the second time around

I was able to pump the bass and sub bass knobs up even more without losing ANY articulation. Most of the rest of my EQ is relatively flat. It's amazing how you can smooth out and thicken the sound without losing any definition. Truly amazing.

 

[Kelly Lee]

Due to database concerns this thread has been closed and a new one opened. Here is a direct link to Part II of this topic: http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=368003