Bye Bye Don

[Diggler]

Wow I just heard a great thought about why they shouldn't have tossed him from the radio.

If CBS was smart, they would have called Sharpton and Imus into the office and tell them that for now Imus would keep his show; and if after a couple weeks Imus' audience started to shrink or they lost advertisers, he'd be gone.

Could you imagine the revenue they could have made having those two radio shows railing against each other for a few weeks? Listenership would have been way up.

 

[bigfatbass]

Jason Whitlock was just on Colin Cowherd on ESPN radio. They do a podcast I think. Absolute must listen radio. I don't like Cowherd much, he is an arrogant wanker, but this was a GREAT interview.

"rev" Al Sharpton deserves a public stoning. He is an embarrassment to humanity, let alone African-Americans.

 

[Kosko]

As a white person I would really appreciate a list of illegal words. This would serve as a great reference as it can get really confusing at times.

Also, I would like to know when its politically correct to laugh. Say if I can suppress laughter, but still find something funny, would this mean I'm going to hell; and is there any facility I could go to that would provide help.

Howabout a list of colors I can use in drawings?

Or maybe a list of scales that aren't offensive in music. I don't want to catch anyone using a tritone, cause thats the Devil's music.

 

[JimmyM]

Right on, if Stern had said it nobody would even blink.

Stern wouldn't have said it. Stern makes no secret that he likes racial humor, but he doesn't do it to oppress people, but rather to point out how stupid racism is. I have been listening since 94, and not once in that time has he said anything racial for any other reason than to make fun of racists. He has Daniel Carver from the KKK on to point out what a tool he is. He has had racist callers and guests before, no doubt, but only to give them enough rope to embarrass themselves.

As for his so-called denigration of women, those women come onto his show of their own free will. Nobody holds a gun to their heads. The women that he allegedly denigrates are mostly porn stars and strippers, and they've done a fine job of degrading themselves long before he ever met them.

Don't like Stern? No problem. Not everyone does. But all these accusations of racism and denigration of women are usually made by people who don't listen. Which is your choice and your right.

Imus, OTOH, has a long history of being a complete tool and a long history of racism. Imus was not fired for calling the girls nappy headed hos, but for a lengthy history of actual racism. If it was one isolated incident, he'd have never been fired. But make no mistake...he's a racist and he continued to prove it as the week went on.

 

[Bayou_Brawler]

Imus, OTOH, has a long history of being a complete tool and a long history of racism. Imus was not fired for calling the girls nappy headed hos, but for a lengthy history of actual racism. If it was one isolated incident, he'd have never been fired. But make no mistake...he's a racist and he continued to prove it as the week went on.

like what? i don't follow him. i would like to know...


babababababababaaaaaboooooooooeeeeeyyyyyyy

 

[JimmyM]

Stern said he's heard Imus call secretaries at WNBC the N word. Robin Quivers, his co-host, said he called her one, too, and chased him down the hall screaming at him. Last year on Larry King, Imus admitted the accusations were probably true, too, but couldn't remember because of his coke and booze problem. A few years back, he called journalist Gwen Ifill, who is black, a "cleaning lady." Dozens of people who work with him or used to work with him said he was mean, obnoxious, and treated people he considered beneath him with utter contempt. And there's a 60 Minutes piece that's going to be aired on Sunday that claims he freely uses the N word in private conversations. And let's not forget his interview with Sharpton, where he patted himself on the back for associating with black people, he told a black caller "I bet I slept in a room with more black kids unrelated to me than you," and told Sharpton and a black Congresswoman, "I just can't win with you people," then told Sharpton, "that's jive" when Sharpton got mad. Good enough for me.

And Baba Booey to y'all!

 

[Vandelay]

like what? i don't follow him. i would like to know...


babababababababaaaaaboooooooooeeeeeyyyyyyy

Here's a doozy, watch the clip at this link:
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And I already posted a bunch of Imus's other gems earlier in this thread:
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4068781&postcount=32

 

[JimmyM]

I left out another thing...everyone who works with Stern absolutely loves him because he treats them with respect. Very few people who worked with him have a bad thing to say about him. Imus, on the other hand, was sold down the river by his co-workers at MSNBC and CBS because they all hate him. The head of MSNBC said that was the main reason he fired Imus.

Karma Boomerang Bitchslap in action!

 

[excane]

Why hasn't the US Post Office issued a stamp of Al Sharpton?
















People wouldn't know which side to spit on.





(that is NOT a racist joke. He's a **** whether he was white, black, or plaid)

 

[JimmyM]

LOL...I heard that joke with everyone from Bush to Nixon as the subject. Always makes me laugh!

 

[Alan Vorse]

Stern wouldn't have said it. Stern makes no secret that he likes racial humor, but he doesn't do it to oppress people, but rather to point out how stupid racism is. I have been listening since 94, and not once in that time has he said anything racial for any other reason than to make fun of racists. He has Daniel Carver from the KKK on to point out what a tool he is. He has had racist callers and guests before, no doubt, but only to give them enough rope to embarrass themselves.

As for his so-called denigration of women, those women come onto his show of their own free will. Nobody holds a gun to their heads. The women that he allegedly denigrates are mostly porn stars and strippers, and they've done a fine job of degrading themselves long before he ever met them.

Don't like Stern? No problem. Not everyone does. But all these accusations of racism and denigration of women are usually made by people who don't listen. Which is your choice and your right.

Imus, OTOH, has a long history of being a complete tool and a long history of racism. Imus was not fired for calling the girls nappy headed hos, but for a lengthy history of actual racism. If it was one isolated incident, he'd have never been fired. But make no mistake...he's a racist and he continued to prove it as the week went on.

+1. Stern and Imus are different animals.

 

[Metal Mitch]

Stern said he's heard Imus call secretaries at WNBC the N word. Robin Quivers, his co-host, said he called her one, too, and chased him down the hall screaming at him. Last year on Larry King, Imus admitted the accusations were probably true, too, but couldn't remember because of his coke and booze problem. A few years back, he called journalist Gwen Ifill, who is black, a "cleaning lady." Dozens of people who work with him or used to work with him said he was mean, obnoxious, and treated people he considered beneath him with utter contempt. And there's a 60 Minutes piece that's going to be aired on Sunday that claims he freely uses the N word in private conversations. And let's not forget his interview with Sharpton, where he patted himself on the back for associating with black people, he told a black caller "I bet I slept in a room with more black kids unrelated to me than you," and told Sharpton and a black Congresswoman, "I just can't win with you people," then told Sharpton, "that's jive" when Sharpton got mad. Good enough for me.

And Baba Booey to y'all!

Ok, point taken. Imus is in fact a racist while Stern is not.

Unfortunately the point is moot.

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Here we have Rutgers and the NCAA issuing a joint statement which advocates censorship as a solution to the problems of racism and sexism.

Not only is that a laughable suggestion, it's a heinously anti-American act. The parents of every student in a NCAA member school should be contacting those schools and asking "Hey, what are you teaching my kid???"

 

[Brad Johnson]

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying.



This is America, you have a right to say what you want, liberals do, conservatives do, non political ones, KKK members, everyone.

And then you get to deal with the repercussions. Funny how that's usually left out.

With regards to your ridiculous attempt to form a straw man, I support white nationalists to have their stupid views and voice their opinions without them being persecuted for them. Just like Sharpton and Jackson can voice theirs. Once they infringe on someone's rights or hurt someone or break a law though, all bets are off.

Jackson and Sharpton are both being vilified in connection with the Imus Incident... so if you really think they shouldn't be...?

Liberty doesn't just mean allowing the stuff you agree with or like, that's the easy part. The hard part is defending liberty when you disagree with it.

The easy part is finding others to point at.

 

[Brad Johnson]

Sharpton is starting to really boil my blood. He is the biggest racist I've ever seen, and he only fuels hatred. These guys preach love (or whatever the hell they preach) and practice hate. Imus said something really stupid and innapropriate. Sharpton gets on his rabble rousing podium, all hell breaks lose, the guy loses his jobs, the radio and TV station take a huge hit. All because Sharpton wants to HELP the african american community.

Why isn't he all over gangsta rap then, why isn't he all over the hip-hop magazines with craploads of gun advertisements that I see kids in my highschool reading, why isn't he going after any of the black DJs that pound out tons of racist black and white hating sexist masogonistic abusive evil crap. Nope, go after IMUS's one dumbass goof that he even apologized for. IMUS is what causes all the problems. Give ma a break. I'm surprised so many people are with these guys on their decisions.

What makes you think they're not...because it's not on the news?

 

[Brad Johnson]

...I'm stunned...I'm agreeing with BOTH Diggler and Burk?!?!?!?







I think Imus is a tool, just like Stern, and getting paid to be a jack@$$ on the radio is just insane...neither would be missed in my universe.

...however, people like Sharpton and Jackson actually CAUSE racisim with their rhetoric.

I hope, like Burk says above, that not only do the Duke students sue the pants off both of these morons that are doing more to hurt "Black America" than any "KKK/Aryan Nation" moron, but that they nail Duke for essentially labeling them "guilty until proven innocent", get that jack@$$ Nifong for every penny he has, and what about having the woman that falsely accused them charged with filing a false police report (and why didn't Tawana Brawley get that charge? )....

I really get boiling over people that take advantage of the system, because they end up harming those the system is supposed to protect! I'm not a fan of the kids in question, anymore than I am of Imus, they're jerks, but I AM a HUGE fan of the Constitution of The United States of America, and when it is so flagrantly ignored and disrespected, particularly by those that are given the job of upholding and protecting it (Nifong).

Now, instead of the "downtrodden" being given the benefit of the doubt in a situation like this, everyone will look at the next person, who quite likely will have a genuine issue (like actually being raped), and remember what has happened in this and the Brawley case, and immedately find them to be lying.

This kind of stuff really hurts those that need to be protected by the law, and all to stuff the pockets of people like Sharpton & Jackson (anyone think they live in the same neighborhood as those they are "defending"? HYPOCRITES!).

I won't even start talking about the whole "gangsta culture" garbage and how it is OK for a rapper to call a black woman a "nappy ho"....racisim runs in both directions...whoops, I just did...

Hopefully the Black people that own MTV will stop showing their videos.

 

[Brad Johnson]

I case nobody knows, the word "Ho" means "Whore."

"Nappy headed whores"
"Stringy Headed whores"
"Bald headed whores"

No matter how you preface it, calling those young women Whores was way out of line.

As someone pointed out, the First Amendment guarantees him the right to say whatever he wants to say. It doesn't however, guaranteee him that advertisers will continue to support his show or that networks will continue to employ him.

No different than most of us -- I'm sure that we all have jobs from which we will get fired for saying things that are allowed by the First Amendment.

A point that seems to bounce off their collective heads with a resounding thud.

 

[Brad Johnson]

If there's one good thing that came out of this Imus thing, it's this...

It seems that liberals, conservatives, libertarians, EVERYONE, pretty much can't stand Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

They're irrelevant to most people, yet here we are.

 

[Brad Johnson]

I agree with you Adrian. It's interesting that we have a thread three pages long focussing on Imus and we have ignored the girls basketball team. I haven't paid attention to all threads in Off Topic, but did we devote three pages to how this may have affected a team of girls that were verbally attacked?

Is it more important to protect the name caller than the recipients of the name calling? Who's the victim here?

Re: the team: Bottom line (apparently)... who cares.

That's what I get out of this. It's moreof an opportunity to act like Sharpton and Jackson are relevant than deal with the actual situation.


Oh, and I almost forgot... racism is over. That was a long time ago. That stuff doesn't ha...

oh.

 

[Diggler]

Wow, catching up at the end of the day sucks, doesn't it?

 

[Brad Johnson]

You CHOOSE to be offended. There is no freedom from getting your feelings hurt. I see lots of blacks in the audience laughing their butts off when Eddie Murphy or even Carlos Mencia makes a joke about a black stereotype. When a rapper stands up and says the 'n' word more than two dozen times in one 'song', no one is offended, and the word 'ho' is used quite regularly in that culture. When Al Sharpton calls Jews "diamond merchants" and followers of a "gutter religion", just dismiss him as a complete ignorant tool and move on.

Sorry, I call BS. "no one is offended"? Based on what exactly?

Who's going to decide what is 'racism?'

Be like Imus, test the waters.

Al? Jesse? La Raza? CAIR? A government Panel of Acceptable Speech?

I've listened to Hannity on my way home because he's on. He's not my favorite, but he has a "Hate Hannity Hotline" where liberals call and bash him and he plays them back. One of the most popular accusations is that he's a racist. I have never heard him say ONE THING that is even remotely close to being racist.

Because you don't want to... or you think all racism is blatant. In that case you'd be in good company because most people don't truly have a clue about it either.

For example, when most people think about racism they think about the South. Why... because there a Black man was very likely to be confronted with a racist POV in a very direct manner. No subtlety required. Is that worse than the employer up North who pats you on the back and won't give you a job based on your race? Not in my book.

I'd rather know where people are coming from. Imus has made no secret of where he was coming from and most likely some are getting an eyeopener into the world of Imus in this thread. And some will willingly remain blind.

EVEN IF SOMEONE WAS RACIST, that is their own bigoted beliefs, and I believe that if you want to be an ignorant racist, that's your right as long as you don't cause harm to someone.

Is it going to be racist to suggest discuss the illegal immigration problem? Is it going to be racist to discuss Islamic extremism and terrorism? How about discussing ending affirmative action? All valid points that need discussion... but by simply labeling the other side as racist, you can avoid any discussion and declare one side the winner because debate can't take place.

Everything will end up being vanilla, and no serious discussion can take place because everyone will be afraid to offend someone.

I don't like the idea of organized threats of boycotts, either. If I don't like someone or some company, I stop using their products. I might send one email stating why I'm displeased, and that's it.

And fortunately no one but you has to ahdere to your policy. P.S. there's very little strength in low numbers

In this case, Al Sharpton virtually fired Imus himself using threats. The free market should have been allowed to work by individuals making their choices as to listening or not over time, and as his viewership declined, the networks would have dropped him on their own.

LOL. That's rich. Imus fired himself. The free market did work. You give Sharpton way more credit than any thinking person ought to.

What's his job again?

Q: Anyone happen to know what Whoopie Goldberg's production company is named?
A: One Ho Productions.

Q: What did Mayor Nagin want to rebuild New Orleans into?
A: A 'chocolate' city.

OMG, I'm like fainting and stuff.

Finally, this is an excerpt of a speech that was broadcast in its entirety on C-Span by Dr. Kamau Kambon. Where were the calls for racial unity and rebukes by the usual suspects?

Did you listen to it when it aired? Neither did anyone else.

ETA: For the networks to not back up Imus for his right to say what he wanted was pretty crappy. They winked and nodded and raked in $15 million a year for 30 years because of quotes just like the ones he was fired for. They could have reigned him in at any time.

And it would've been akin to a tacit approval with what he said. As long as the networks and the sponsors wanted to carry that banner... oh wait, they didn't.

That's who fired Imus.