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Bye Bye Don
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I say let the marketplace decide what's appropriate and what's not, just as they did in the Imus case. Imus, being a dumbass who thinks he's a great orator, kept sticking his foot in his mouth. His advertisers, already overpaying for ads on a show with crappy ratings, bailed. Imus then got fired. The marketplace decided that Imus was a jerkoff.
Same with music. How dare anyone tell anyone else what kind of music they should be allowed to record and perform! The marketplace has decided that they like songs where black guys call each other the N word and where they call girls "ho's." So be it. But if you're going to degrade yourself by using those words, you better accept that others who aren't your race will use those words, and you jolly well better like it.
I think it was Chris Rock who once had a routine about that kind of music. He said that he'd see girls in skimpy outfits dancing at clubs to these songs where the girls are called "ho's," and you ask them how they could dance to songs where they're called ho's, and they'd always say, "They ain't singin' about ME!" Sorry honey, but you were EXACTLY who they were singing about.
So my feeling is that you can sing about whatever you want to sing about, but if you're African-American and you sing about "ho's" and "niggaz," then you have no room to complain when some white kid in Dothan, Alabama uses those terms, because you have made it OK for them. Otherwise you're a hypocrite of the highest order.
Same with music. How dare anyone tell anyone else what kind of music they should be allowed to record and perform! The marketplace has decided that they like songs where black guys call each other the N word and where they call girls "ho's." So be it. But if you're going to degrade yourself by using those words, you better accept that others who aren't your race will use those words, and you jolly well better like it.
I think it was Chris Rock who once had a routine about that kind of music. He said that he'd see girls in skimpy outfits dancing at clubs to these songs where the girls are called "ho's," and you ask them how they could dance to songs where they're called ho's, and they'd always say, "They ain't singin' about ME!" Sorry honey, but you were EXACTLY who they were singing about.
So my feeling is that you can sing about whatever you want to sing about, but if you're African-American and you sing about "ho's" and "niggaz," then you have no room to complain when some white kid in Dothan, Alabama uses those terms, because you have made it OK for them. Otherwise you're a hypocrite of the highest order.
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying.
This is America, you have a right to say what you want, liberals do, conservatives do, non political ones, KKK members, everyone.
With regards to your ridiculous attempt to form a straw man, I support white nationalists to have their stupid views and voice their opinions without them being persecuted for them. Just like Sharpton and Jackson can voice theirs. Once they infringe on someone's rights or hurt someone or break a law though, all bets are off.
Liberty doesn't just mean allowing the stuff you agree with or like, that's the easy part. The hard part is defending liberty when you disagree with it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the people who are paying you also have the right to fire you if you lose advertisers for them, which is the only thing that keeps anyone on the air. It's not about freedom of speech, it's about revenue generation.
Anybody who allows the fatheads on TV to form their opinions about race relations for them is a pawn, and the people who make their living off of doing just that make me wanna barf....Good grief..Imus? Sharpton? etc, etc, blah, blah, blah..In one ear and out the other..
That's why I listen to Stern. He'll pontificate now and then, but he knows he's nothing but a comedian. And a darn fine one at that!
Is everybody ok with this thread? No lines being crossed by anyone? As far as people are concerned?
Some things do say a lot, and mods aren't here to make people look good.
Some things do say a lot, and mods aren't here to make people look good.
Hey, you're looking to me for the answer? I have no idea. All I know is that there's a problem that's not easily cured, but all sides have to take responsibility, not just one or the other.And if you're an African American who doesn't do that...?
Here's an article by syndicated coumnist Mark Steyn which pretty much sums it up. From the Chicago Sun Times
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Howard Stern is a contemporary social satirist and an entertainer. Nothing more. His show is a good place to go to during the morning drive for a few chuckles from time to time, but that's about the extent of it.
That was a great article pretty much condemning everyone involved. And yep, everyone involved needs condemning. Those girls had no clue who Imus was, and I'll bet none of them cared until their white coach told them to care. Cheap shot against hard working girls trying to better themselves? Absolutely. Scarred for life? Give me a break!
I'll preface this with stating that I mean absolutely no malice with my answer
:I wasn't looking to you for this answer but you gave it:
"So my feeling is that you can sing about whatever you want to sing about, but if you're African-American and you sing about "ho's" and "niggaz," then you have no room to complain when some white kid in Dothan, Alabama uses those terms, because you have made it OK for them. Otherwise you're a hypocrite of the highest order".
And that doesn't address the vast majority of Black people. That's why I asked the follow-up. You singled performers out... a handful of people. What about everyone else?
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Okay, discussions like this and others say ALOT about Americans' ignorance about their own country.
Fact: YOU DO NOT HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH WHEN IT COMES TO A PRIVATE BUSINESS! Are you guys REALLY that thick? NBC and CBS are PRIVATE BUSINESSES, if you don't like their rules, then quit! The 1st Amendment means squat in the world of private enterprise. I think most of the white males are mad because they can no longer spout their racist hate filled crap without reprisals. For a while it was "let's run wild and loose". I'll bet you if this hadn't happened, it would've soon been cool for these radio hacks to use the N word. Neal Boortz called McKinney a "ghetto slut", and Imus said the Williams sisters belonged in National Geographic. The N word was right around the corner, and you know it. Sorry to piss on your parade, but there are some things that DO NOT fall under keeping it real. It's not okay to say racist crap, and claim you're not a racist. Don't give me that lame ass "He does so much for charity" line either. The slave masters used to rape the slaves, did that make them less of a racist? I couldn't give less than a rat's penis if you disagree with me, it is what it is.
Fact: YOU DO NOT HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH WHEN IT COMES TO A PRIVATE BUSINESS! Are you guys REALLY that thick? NBC and CBS are PRIVATE BUSINESSES, if you don't like their rules, then quit! The 1st Amendment means squat in the world of private enterprise. I think most of the white males are mad because they can no longer spout their racist hate filled crap without reprisals. For a while it was "let's run wild and loose". I'll bet you if this hadn't happened, it would've soon been cool for these radio hacks to use the N word. Neal Boortz called McKinney a "ghetto slut", and Imus said the Williams sisters belonged in National Geographic. The N word was right around the corner, and you know it. Sorry to piss on your parade, but there are some things that DO NOT fall under keeping it real. It's not okay to say racist crap, and claim you're not a racist. Don't give me that lame ass "He does so much for charity" line either. The slave masters used to rape the slaves, did that make them less of a racist? I couldn't give less than a rat's penis if you disagree with me, it is what it is.
What are the six people who were regularly listeners going to do now?
It doesn't bother me that he said any of things he said. I don't care, he might think less of me because of my background (Jewish), let him, i am not mad. Diggler said about freedom of speech and thats great, i agree ... What bothers me is that there are still at least 7 people (him and his 6 listeners) out there who think that way... It's just makes me sad that outdated and hurtful philosophy like racism still exist and in some way thrives.
It's nothing personal against him, i just feel sorry for him and people like him because it really is their loss. They are degrading themselves to that level and their level of intelligence will never reach it's potential because of way they think. I am sadden by racism in exactly same way I am sadden when I see teenagers flunking/dropping out of school, the same way I am sadden to see a drug addict who lost it all. It's just said to see people waste their lives and accomplish nothing worth while.
I thought I had heard that Vivian Stringer was white. If I'm wrong, then I apologize. But I don't apologize about what I said about the team. If these girls can defeat every other women's college team in the country on the basketball court, but they're going to let a senile old s---head in a cowboy hat scar them for life, then maybe they're not so tough. I, for one, have a hard time swallowing it.
As for what about everyone else, where are they, Brad? Bill Cosby speaks out about it, and he's called a sellout and nobody else in the African American community sticks up for him. There is no everyone else. At least there hasn't been until now. Hopefully it will change.
It's as simple as this...if I manage a store and I steal from the store, then I am demonstrating to my employees that it's OK to steal from the store, too, until we all get fired and arrested.
It's the same thing as this situation. If rappers (or anyone) use racial epithets to describe themselves, and there is no outcry against it from those of the same race, then you can't blame someone from another race when they use it because they think it's OK. And black people can pretend that it's not true all they want and punch out every white guy they hear using the N word, but it is true.
Woodchuck, as Brad said, this thread says a lot more about about the people in it than the people in the news.
As for what about everyone else, where are they, Brad? Bill Cosby speaks out about it, and he's called a sellout and nobody else in the African American community sticks up for him. There is no everyone else. At least there hasn't been until now. Hopefully it will change.
It's as simple as this...if I manage a store and I steal from the store, then I am demonstrating to my employees that it's OK to steal from the store, too, until we all get fired and arrested.
It's the same thing as this situation. If rappers (or anyone) use racial epithets to describe themselves, and there is no outcry against it from those of the same race, then you can't blame someone from another race when they use it because they think it's OK. And black people can pretend that it's not true all they want and punch out every white guy they hear using the N word, but it is true.
Woodchuck, as Brad said, this thread says a lot more about about the people in it than the people in the news.
If you bring that up 412 more times...
The problem with it is that you're flat out wrong about "nobody" sticking up for Cosby. That's just the same lame generalization that people repeatedly make. Why not stop?
AGAIN, just because you and others are paying more attention to Sharpton than other people doesn't mean that other people aren't saying things. It's just not news
BTW there's no "if" about you being wrong about Stringer. An obvious question would be why did you present it as a White coach getting Black players to do something in the first place? Relevance?
In the annals of odd analogies... you've struck gold.
Yes you can. It's people who are too dense to see that that have a problem with it. Tony Soprano could use any Italian epithet with his crew and it's no big deal. I OTOH couldn't... and I have brains enough to see the difference.
Why is that so hard to understand?
