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Double Bass C♭, B♯, E♯, F♭
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Again: related to chord notation. I'm of course familiar with the augmented sixth, as seen in earlier posts.
No there isn't. The only thing that distinguishes them from the others is that they appear as white keys on the piano.
The augmented six inteval is not the same as the augmented six chord (French, German and Italian) If you were familliar with these you would not have made your hardheaded comments about how wrong the notation is.
A Db7/B that resolves to a C major chord is such a chord (given certain specific resolutions). Correct notation is B, not Cb.
And as I also stated, the chance of this occuring is next to nothing, in this context. I've been reading and writing charts for more than 30 years. I can't remember seeing a chart where this would be correct. Of course, in theory there could be exceptions.
What always stuck me as stupid is having a 12-tone scale but not assigning each tone it’s own note. Or referring to an interval by anything other than the numeric distance between the tones.
Any silliness we encounter when scoring or speaking about music is the natual outcome of having a silly notational system and an unnecessarily complicated nomenclature for our music.
Or so I think.
Any silliness we encounter when scoring or speaking about music is the natual outcome of having a silly notational system and an unnecessarily complicated nomenclature for our music.
Or so I think.
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Do some research on the history and development of music and music notation starting with medieval music.
It appears to be a shorthand made up by a blogger.
I suppose it is possible that someone, somewhere, uses that nomenclature in their analysis class, but I've never seen, nor heard of, that used on a piece of music to convey information to a performer.
It is standard (classical dept) Music theory 101 at most if not all North American Universities or Conservatories. Many may not use the shorthand, but I doubt anyone with a B or better would have any doubt what I was referring to, particularly in the context of a dominant 7 chord and its enharmonic notation.
I said the following: "If you want to be dogmatic about it, it (Db and B) would be the correct way to notate a Fr6 or Gr6"
So I in no way said this is a way to write charts, I referred to a standard US academic term in reference to a situation in which Db/B is the dogmatically correct notation, just as it would be the correct notation of those pitches in Beethovens use of the same chord.
And if you had read the whole thread you would have noticed that this part of the discussion, again, was related to chord notation. We are familiar with the concept and use in a classical/academic situation. If I ever was in a situation where I had to write this, I would have written the tone(s) with a suggested voicing, not the chord name, to avoid confusion. (For bass it would, of course, just be a B).
Whatever Fenilsen , I need to go prepare for my dayjob i.e. practise the bass.
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"Sorry, I replied without reading the whole thread, so it was out of context". No problem, good luck with practise. 
(And it's Fredrik, not Erik).
(And it's Fredrik, not Erik).
Proper naming of notes and chords in context makes the music a lot easier to understand when you have to read it cold on the bandstand, even with the folk and country stuff I play a lot. I hate it when people tell me stuff like "it starts on Db and then goes to an F#" 
I had just the chord names written out over lyrics for an Irish song handed to me on my St. Paddy's gig last night. Three chords: E A Gbm. Luckily I read it before we started playing or the Gb would have thrown me. Actually it was in the key of A and the third chord was really F#m, the minor 6 chord.
I had just the chord names written out over lyrics for an Irish song handed to me on my St. Paddy's gig last night. Three chords: E A Gbm. Luckily I read it before we started playing or the Gb would have thrown me. Actually it was in the key of A and the third chord was really F#m, the minor 6 chord.
I have. Studied every notation, intonation, and music theory system I’ve ever become aware of including Harry Partch’s 43-tone scale. (His book Genesis of a Music takes a long hard look at several historic systems and does a very interesting analysis of each them. It’s a good book well worth a read if you can find a copy.)
Pythagoras had some key insights into music. But we’ve gone a few steps beyond his simpler world and plainchant. So IMO we’re long overdue to update our notation and terminology to reflect the current state of music rather than try to twist and stretch an older sytem to fit. But you’ve got far too many people and schools vested in the maintaining the current hodgepodge. So I’m not holding my breath.
It’s a confusing comment.
Tell it to a jazz musician, augmented 6th”(???).
Here’s my question.
Why don’t we write Fm(8#) - the
Italian augmented 6th?
Read people!
It is not a chord notation, that is Fenilsens uninformed misinterpretation.
AGAIN, my statement was:
"If you want to be dogmatic about it, it (Db and B) would be the correct way to notate a Fr6 or Gr6"
It was in response to this statement from fenilsen: "Db/B not only feels wrong, it is wrong. And stupid. And wrong. "
In other words, when the function of said chord is as a German six, it is correct to notate the chord Db/B. That is like using a term like the "tonic" in reference to the C major chord in the key of C.
The term German 6 explains what is going on in context of this discussion and amongst other things dictates how it is to be notated. You do not write Gr6 on a chart, but it informs you how to properly notate the Db7/B.
The 7 letters for a system working with 7 note scales is a good one. Of course, we do more than that now, but, our instruments are still based on that system.
And, for the third time, @wathaet : it was posted in the context of chord notation. (And again, there could in theory be exceptions, like your example, but I can't remember ever seeing it in use).
Because there is no F in the chord (Ab, C, F# (and possibly Eb (or D), depending on context)).
Misspelled how?
First, second initial then last name. Also is his twitterhandle.
